The Cheney Effect

Are you that dense?

 

Trump did not participate directly in the riot.

If he had, he would have been convicted of sedition.

Like many of his MAGA.

As for the 1/6 trial, Trump is accused of fraud against the US, among other charges.

 

You're using old anti-intellectual tactics that I've seen 1000 times here.

Instead of criticizing the arguments in Cheney's book - which you also refuse to read - you attack her personally.

For you, ignorance is a virtue.

 

Compelled to quote you? I am responding to you directly quoting me. The only compulsion there is to reply when spoken to.

When you quote me by utilizing disingenuous sophistry, I am going to point it out, at least until I tire of the nonsense and long after my point has been made.

 

Why in hell I waste my time on damn book that was written by sore head Bush-bot who doesn’t like the fact there her two faced wing of the party has lost control of it? I’ve many more interesting things to study.

As for my point, if you say that you had any admiration for Liz Cheney before the January 6 Committee, you are “bearing false witness.”

 

Your position has devolved down to mere weak flaming a strawman since it has run up against admitting that Chenney upholding her sworn oath to the Constitution was more important than what the wannabee, but failed, autocrat wanted. He doesn't give two ****s about his "people"....

 

The way you're reacting, it's not disinterest in the book but fear of what's in it.

Someone who believes in his convictions and has an open mind isn't afraid of arguments that confront his opinions.

You're one of the scaredy-cats.

Congratulations.

I don't share even 1% of Liz Cheney's political ideas.

But that doesn't make her a liar.

 

"accused of fraud against the US"
please explain

 

Make a little effort and read it:

https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2023/08/trump-indictment.pdf

 

So, no charge of insurrection. Thanks. We also were treated to 3 years of Russia Russia Russia hoax. Trump may be out nearly $1/2 a billion for engaging in real estate business so common the Governor had to come out and assure potential investors this interpretation of law was only to be used again Trump. And a woman was not able to prove to a jury that Trump raped her, but he owes her $ for defaming him cuz if she wants to say he raped her and can't prove it, he's supposed to shut up anyway.

 

Accused by the DOJ and indicted by a Grand Jury. He's trying his best to not have to be judged for it.

 

Why don't you write the Reader's Digest version here and save us the trouble?

The book represents the 0.1% of Liz Cheney's life that you admire. The rest of her life looks like your avatar to you. Straight from hell.

 

Why?

In post #1 you have a link to the article that gives a very good summary of Cheney's book.

But you didn't have the courage to read it either.

I admire people of integrity who stand up for principle.

Regardless of their political orientation.

 

I'm not going down your rabbit hole.

The only thing I will say is that as far as this trial is concerned, Trump is trying to plead total immunity.

Like a King.

 

Yea I did read it... did you?
Do you know the difference between "Conspiracy to defraud" and "fraud". Trump was never accused, indicted or convicted of "fraud" .... as you claim.

The charge for anything close to fraud or defraud is Charge 1 : Conspiracy to defraud the U.S.
1 you are confused that fraud and defraud mean the same thing.
2 you are confused to think conspiracy would mean the same thing as either fraud or defraud..

Words have meanings..

And the other giggle I get in the other case with classified docs is the court document repeatedly refer to the "MARKED classified" documents... Trump declassified the documents before leaving office... but the left just goes ape crap crazy and swears they are talking about "classified" when they are not.

 

I have no doubt that Trump is irrational and pig headed. The trouble is Biden is just as bad or worse. We have a shitty choice in this election. It all depends on whose poop offends you the least.

You call me a coward. How about you? Is Biden your knight in shining armor?

He’s like James G. Blaine in the 1884 presidential race. One of his supporters called him “the plumed knight,” and he tried to ride that horse to victory. The trouble was they had the goods on him that he had taken bribes from the railroad industry.



Blaine ended up losing that election to Grover Cleveland who was accused of fathering a child out of wedlock. Cleveland's response when confronted with the allegation was "Tell them it's true." We don't see any of that from politicians these days except from Trump. You might not like him, but you know where he stands, good or bad.

 

I don't read political books. I consider politics to be humanity at its worst. I don't vote because voting never provides what I want from government which is less of it. What I fear is wasting time reading why a Trump hater hates Trump. You can find opposing opinions to hers if that interests you. I trust you understand that most political "facts" are actually opinions arising from the analysis of facts. She has analyzed whatever facts exist in her way. Others have analyzed them in some other way. That is why there are always at least two distinct opposing "truths" in politics.

You are free to vote for anyone you like. It is right all Americans enjoy. I wish Trump would have gone away and not run for election. But it is what it is. Americans also have the right to run for political office. While he won't get a vote from me at least I can consider him the lesser of two evils.

 

That stupid circus of a sideshow was a "trial"?

How so?

 

The Inconvenient Truth: There have been no full due process hearings, and the USA is notorious for vote fraud and election rigging.

Ask Stacey Abrams:

1. https://www.nbcnews.com › politics › elections › stacey-abrams-refuses-call-brian-kemp-s-victory-legitimate-says-n937721
   Stacey Abrams refuses to call Brian Kemp's victory 'legitimate' but ...
   Nov. 18, 2018, 2:04 PM PST By Allan Smith Georgia's Democratic gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams refused to call Brian Kemp, the GOP governor-elect, the "legitimate" winner of their race...
2. https://www.cnn.com › 2021 › 12 › 03 › politics › stacey-abrams-concession-2018-georgia › index.html
   Abrams defends lack of concession after 2018 gubernatorial loss
   Dec 3, 2021Democratic gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams defended herself from criticism that she never conceded her loss to Gov. Brian Kemp in 2018 on Friday, addressing what Republicans have already...

 

It has nothing to do with a political book.

Cheney's book is about Trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election with a full statement of the evidence amassed against him that led to the DOJ indictments.

You could have taken the time you wasted writing this post to read Jim Young's counter to post #1 of this thread.

 

Sorry but no.

In a recording made by a journalist, Trump admits that he could have declassified the documents he shows her but can no longer because he is no longer POTUS.

On top of that, some of the Top Secret documents Trump stole are classified as 'Secret Defense', which he's not allowed to declassify.

This trial will be devastating for the American people, as it will demonstrate just how much of a danger Trump has been to national security.

 

You're probably not wrong, but she is still due respect for being one of the very few people in her party to openly oppose Trump.

 

Biden appears to have committed serious felonies, such as the documents thing taken when he was not a POTUS that can, but a Senator that cannot and was materially found to be too senile to charge. And that he is "the big guy". https://nypost.com/2024/02/29/us-ne...wledged-joe-was-the-big-guy-in-5m-china-deal/

How is this not much worse than saying one has immunity when POTUS when doing POTUS acts (which I'm inferring this case is about: not that he could do something that cannot be considered a function of POTUS but should have immunity anyway due to simply being in this position)? Biden could do something worse than anything Trump has done or is accused of doing, and he's too senile to charge!

EDIT:

"In agreeing to hear the case, the court made it clear that it will focus on specifics of when a former president might be able to claim immunity for official acts taken in office." https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/su...s-lens-takes-trumps-immunity-claim-rcna141155

 

Get back to me when you can hold a conversation without asserting Democrat talking points that have no basis in fact. She did no such thing she fell on her sword for the DC monoparty bloc and got her head rightfully handed to her. The DC uber alles needs to go and the sooner the better.

 

Why do you give respect to kennedy or Tulsi for being among the few in their party to openly oppose Biden?