The Cheney Effect

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  1. flyboy56

    flyboy56 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    From the Neo Con Family.
     
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    flyboy56 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Without their "Semiautomatic" Assault Weapons. Just a bunch of large American flags. That was no insurrection.
     
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  3. Media_Truth

    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Donor

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    Oh one of those - sorry I have no time to refute your shallow arguments of election denialism, after every court in the land disproved this nonsense.
     
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  4. Hey Now

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    You appear to be unable to comprehend or actually address what I posted. Understandable, truth is hard to counter with flailing and spinning. Liz's honors her oath and the Constitution over party and wannabee autocrat delusions.
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Donor

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    Oh - pllllease ---- how many courts ruled against all this supposed cheating that the Democrats did? These conspiracy theories are getting old. Repeat after me - TRUMP LOST!
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Donor

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    You just will not address the issues that Cheney stood up for and against - Repeat after me - 1. Constitution, 2. Big Lie, 3. Electoral Plots.
     
  7. Ddyad

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    Not one full due process hearing. By now everyone knows that election fraud and election rigging has always been common in the US. Democrats who challenge the integrity of elections should be taken seriously.

    The Inconvenient Truth:

    "It remains true, however, that flagrant examples of such fraud in other parts of the country have been documented throughout this Nation’s history by respected historians and journalists,[Footnote 11] that occasional examples have surfaced in recent years,[Footnote 12] and that Indiana’s own experience with fraudulent voting in the 2003 Democratic primary for East Chicago Mayor[Footnote 13]—though perpetrated using absentee ballots and not in-person fraud—demonstrate that not only is the risk of voter fraud real but that it could affect the outcome of a close election."
    Crawford v. Marion County Election Bd., 553 U.S. 181 (2008) (emphasis mine)
     
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    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Meh.

    My point has been made.

    I am done with you. Be gone.
     
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  9. Hey Now

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    Sure, run with that if it helps with the fact that Liz Chenney kept her oath to the Constitution over the wannabee failed autocrat. Country over Party, Liz's strength.
     
  10. Arkanis

    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    That's not at all what's written in the Hurr report and I challenge you to quote where he says that.

    Because Trump demands the kind of immunity that only a monarch or dictator would get.

    No POTUS before him, not even Nixon, had made such a demand.

    Do you support his request?
     
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    By now everyone knows that Professional Politician = Big Liar. And it is usually your sacred duty to vote for your favorite Big Liar. :)
    Partisan Democrats and Republicans who pay any attention at all know that election plots are as traditionally American as apple pie and dirty tricks in baseball.

    “Since the country's colonial days, concerns of voter fraud have inspired ever-more complicated ways to cast one's ballot. Depending on where you live, you may vote tomorrow with a lever, a punch card, a marker or a touchscreen. As election scholar Andrew Gumbel notes, the U.S. has been both a "living experiment in the expansion of democratic rights" and a "world-class laboratory for vote suppression and election-stealing techniques.”
    TIME MAGAZINE, A BRIEF HISTORY OF, Ballots in America, By M.J. Stephey Monday, Nov. 03, 2008. (emphasis mine)
    http://content.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1855857,00.html
     
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    Not Kennedy, he's a nutjob. As far as Tulsi goes, I actually wrote-in her name for president in 2020. I would never do that again though, because since then she decided to campaign for Kari Lake, which is essentially the same as supporting Trump and all his stolen election BS. I had no problem with her leaving the Democrats, hell I don't blame her for it, but helping Trump or anybody supporting his stolen election BS is a bridge too far.

    And as far as Democrats go, I'd vote for Tim Manchin for president in a heartbeat if he ran. On the Republican side, the same is true of Larry Hogan and Chris Sanunu. Both parties are purging their moderates and it's going to be devastating to this country. I was up in the air about Glenn Youngkin but he just endorsed Trump so he's off the list.
     
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    Not really. They don't care about the truth. All they know is they want an old, fat, senile, insurrectionist, liar who cheats on his wife and couldn't care less about the country to be their Dear Leader.
     
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    I don't mean Trump. I mean in places like Arizona and Nevada during the 2022 midterms. The way Democrats count votes it's as if we still depend on stagecoaches and the Pony Express. It takes days to count Democrat votes. The late senator, Harry Reid, was a crooked as they come. He set up the perfect system in Nevada to steal elections. With all the blank ballots floating around with no control over them, the chances to cheat are vast.

    If you Democrats don't want to be accused of cheating, why is Merrick Garland telling congregations in Black churches that he opposes voter ID laws. It's too much ask a voter for his ID? Are Blacks to too dumb to get ID's. If IDs are a problem, would be too much for the Democrats to have ID acquisition programs? No. It's just that open drop boxes and no control over who votes works for the Democrats.

    You can yell at me until hell freezes over. I think that your party has got voter fraud down to a science. If a Republican is going to win, it has to be by at least 5 points. If not, you guys will manufacture enough votes to steal the election.

    As for the count system and the legal system, it's becoming more and more crooked and controlled by Democrats. We are headed to a system like they have in Russia.
     
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    Simplify it, state representative of the people for the people..

    Learn politics if you're gonna play on a political forum..

    Although if you want her, take her she is a free agent now;)
     
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    I said be gone.
     
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    In that case, repeat after me - Oath to the Constitution, while hand placed on the Bible.
     
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    Ironic advise is a weak counter to reality and facts. Reality is a winner, everytime. Trump's a loser....
     
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    First of all - I'm an Independent, who considers fiscal Conservatism a very important issue. In 2022, most Republican and Democrat losers conceded gracefully - thank goodness. So evidently, they didn't feel like they were cheated. Strange that you would think the elections were rigged. Kerry Lake is the one exception - for that reason I will oppose her vehemently, and donate to anybody who runs against her, even if the election isn't in my state.
     
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    I think that the elections are now rigged, but I will continue to vote. As of now, I know that the vote in Florida is honest because of the reforms that were passed after the 2000 fiasco. In other states, I think the elections are fixed if it's close. It's now become a contest between who is better at cheating. The Democrats have a huge edge.
     
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    The court cases of the 2020 revealed little to no cheating. Manual recounts were right on. These are conspiracy theories. The 2000 fiasco was a close vote and nothing more. Unfortunately that "close vote" (less than 800 votes in a state of 21 million people, if I recall, which is simply incredible) turned out to be the decider in the election.
     
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    On Hurr: https://www.justice.gov/storage/report-from-special-counsel-robert-k-hur-february-2024.pdf
    The material paragraph is, " We have also considered that, at trial, Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory." This is on par with calling HRC "extremely careless" rather than "grossly negligent". Weaseling out of using actual legal terminology.

    Biden appears to have committed a serious felony but will not be charged due to his mental capacity. If he launches a nuclear attack on North Korea, can we hold him accountable? What if he doesn't remember doing that either? Can we really hold Biden accountable for anything?

    Trump does appear to be asking among his requests, for a king's power and I don't support that. The link I included showed the USSC is limiting the scope as they should, to doing actual POTUS stuff, which Trump likely requested as well (such motions write, I want the world. If I can't have that, the USA. If I can't have that, can I have Utah. If I can't have that.... etc. all the way down to what reasonable people can think the movant should have.
     
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    Why?
     
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    First, honest courts don't get involved in election disputes unless they have to do it.

    Second, why do the Democrats win all of the close elections? Why do all of the elections that don't have results for days always turn out to be Democrat wins? Democrats have the most votes in cities where the counts are done quickly. Why is pattern frequently a Republican lead that is overtaken by the Democrats days later? Like I said. Does the Pony Express deliver Democrat ballots? They are always late. Why? Because the Democrats manufacture enough votes to win the close elections. I guess it takes a while to gather the ballots from the graveyards.

    Third, manual recounts don't mean anything. The crooked ballots are already in the system.
     
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    Why will vote? Because my civic duty, and like I said, elections are now honest in Florida. That could change when DeSantis leaves office, and a Democrat become governor.

    The first guy the Democrats ran against DeSantis was a Black, gay, drug addict. In other words he was "the perfect Democrat candidate." He barely lost, thank goodness.
     
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