The Cheney Effect

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  1. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    And when was the last time she went to church?
     
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  2. Arkanis

    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    I'm 48 and don't have a very good memory.

    Nowhere does Hurr say that Biden shouldn't be sued because he's senile.

    According to Trump, Biden has total immunity to commit any crime he wants as long as he's not impeached by Congress.

    But you're still going to vote for a man who demands to have the same powers as an autocrat....
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    What's the liz Cheney effect? Turn your back on your constituents and get voted out of office only to become a champion for leftists?
     
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    So why vote?
     
  5. JohnHamilton

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    They are not rigged in Florida, so it's still worth voting on the local level.

    In places like Arizona, Nevada, Pennsylvania and the Northeast, it's either all Democrat or it's rigged.
     
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  6. Arkanis

    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    It's either rigged or the Conservatives are outnumbered by the Liberals.

    But for your own sanity, it's better to pretend it's rigged.

    That way, you don't have to understand why Republican policies don't sell as well to the electorate.
     
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    The main Republican policy that doesn't sell is abortion. That gave the Democrats more votes in 2022 than anything else.
     
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  8. Arkanis

    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    You're forgetting gun control, health care, the place of religion in the state.

    There's also the fact that voters see that Democrats manage the economy much better than conservatives, considering that 18 of the 20 poorest states are red....
     
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    I note you snipped the he1! out of my clip. Trump does appear to have asked, metaphorically, for the world, and if he can't have that, the USA, if not that, Utah, etc. Standard pleading. SCOTUS will focus on obvious immunity Trump should have in doing POTUS stuff when POTUS.
    Hurr doesn't write that Biden is senile but materially, he is writing that Biden appears to be guilty of of serious felonies (and he does) but will not be prosecuted due to his mental capacity. Period. So, what can't he do?!?
    ITMT: Governmental immunity is a thing but it isn't absolute. If, say, Jay Chauvin arrests you in the course of his duties, you cannot sue him or charge him with crimes... unless he does something that isn't his duty (or criminally fails to do things that ARE his duty) at all.
    I do fear for Trump. He told people to peacefully protest. The USSC may give local government the authority to find that his having said so was a crime against humanity outside his immunity as POTUS. We'll see.
     
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    Too many don't wish to consider that possibility/ probability.........

    She makes a valid case. Only time will tell....but too many underestimate here. ( just as too many over estimate Donald boy)
     
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    This is an argument that was demolished by the 1/6 Commission, and Cheney discusses it at length in his book.

    Without Trump, there would never have been a riot on Capitol Hill.
     
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    I had a lot of respect for McCain, even back in the day. I was blown away when he responded reasonably to somebody calling Obama an arab. Did I want him to be president though? No. Republican policies are suboptimal.
     
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    Yeah, everybody knows MAGA types don't read books.
     
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    LiveUninhibited Well-Known Member

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    Na. We wouldn't want her to win because republican policies are bad, but she's not a despicable person like Trump.
     
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    Well, since you're so blindingly smart, perhaps you can tell me what might possibly be covered in her book that wasn't covered in her Jan. 6 circus.
     
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    I think there's a lot wrong with that. The grain of truth is that the president is in part a symbol, a figurehead, and real policy is made in congress. So if America wants to be symbolized by a greedy oil tycoon cowboy with speech issues, or a sexually deviant fraudulent narcissistic real estate tycoon, or a well-meaning forgetful old man, well, that becomes a part of how we're perceived and affects diplomacy.
     
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    Between work and my obsession with politics it seems almost like I'm living in some weird version of something kinda like that movie Inception. I worked once for a fantastic project manager that labeled a workflow that wasn't making any progress as churn. That what this seems like. Churn spun about a Mandelbrot fractal spiraling in on itself.

    I disagree with this guy's assessment of Biden. A lot.

    I'm not fully sure if this opinion is fully on topic, but these DFT supporters apparently never learned much about logic. Or at least certainly not certainly not categorical syllogisms.

    These will not be perfectly formed, meh, magas won't likely catch the difference though....

    A
    All Covid Lockdowns Occurred During DFT's Presidency

    B
    All DFT Supporters Opposed Covid Lockdowns

    Therefore
    No DFT Supporters Understand Categorical Syllogisms.

    Etc....
     
  18. FatBack

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    I don't know about you but I could sure go for some of those mean tweets and $2 gas right now. I just paid $17 for an 8 lb bag of dog food and $6 for a small bag of potatoes.

    So when does this inflation become transitory like your president told us years ago?
     
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    Learn state representative
     
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    I am not sure why you think it has much do to with the president either way. Measures to save lives from covid caused supply disruptions. Demand came back quicker than supply could. So inflation happened. This happened throughout the developed world. More recently, Russia's invasion of Ukraine promoted more worldwide inflation through energy and food sector issues. I guess Trump helping Ukraine to fold quickly may have helped had he been president, lol. It would have helped at least until an emboldened Russia moved on to the next country to invade.
     
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    Seriously, that may have been something in the old days, now it's a meaningless act to appease the religious folk.. The only loyalty these politician swear an oath to is almighty dollar..
     
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    The last sentence explains why “reaching across the aisle” is a waste of time for Republicans. It does not matter what you do, you get no votes and no support.
     
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    Well, given increased polarization you're right to some extent, but in theory and historically one can get more moderate support by being able to reach across the aisle (I'm not a moderate, but many people are/could be). And it increases the odds that something can get done when one doesn't have a lock on all parts of government, even if it involves some compromise. The old ways of working with rivals before Newt was less dysfunctional. But we'd have to take a step back from extreme political tribalism to get back there.
     
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    No we are not. Time many looked at something other than Faux News spin
     
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    Sorry leftists to make it very obvious but they can't stand the Democratic process because it means that they lose.

    Donald Trump wouldn't be facing a court case based on some stupid nonsense dreamed up by leftists if it were that they could tolerate democracy democracy picked Trump. And that was a problem.

    Democracy picked someone else besides Cheney I'm sorry that the Democrats have lost their minds and become woke far left borderline communists.

    It's a problem within your own party and if you're not a communist maybe look into it and if you are you are our mortal enemy.
     
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