The Chinese agenda

What is the point of telling the world "there have been demonstrations against China throughout Vietnam"? In fact, there have been seven consecutive demonstrations against China so far, and I think the Vietnamese leeches, as a Chinese idiom 吃 饱 没 事 做 (chi bao mei shi zuo) goes, can keep on protesting against China till eternity as they have "nothing much to do after filling up their stomachs". I am sure the common men in China could respond likewise if not for their government's restrictions on public protests.

If some crazy neighbours of yours keep on scolding you and throwing stones at your house day and night, does it mean that you are the most evil man in the world?

Don't forget Vietnam had played the Chinese card against the US during the Vietnam War -- sharing intelligence and providing facilities for Chinese military advisors. Does it mean that North Vietnam had the moral right to invade the South but the USA was evil, immoral and imperialist to defend South Vietnam?

Vietnam has all the freedom in the world to behave like a whore sharing whatever things and even debt with whatever country it chooses. It can be predicted in the eternal march of world history, Vietnam will again resort to the China card against the US somewhere down the road in the future. Americans, prepare to be bitten on the hand by the dog you are going to feed.

 

America needs to be able to keep track of the PLAN SSNs and SSBNs coming out underwater from the mountain base at Sanaa on Hainan Island. Vietnams Cam Ranh Bay is perfect for that purpose. China won't put its hand in the cookie jar because it knows that three others are watching nearby.

 

reedak, Albert Di Salvo, et al,

Certainly --- reedak and Albert Di Salvo, each make good points. But Chinese concepts evolve.

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The Chinese know that, today, they cannot challenge the US Military Hegemony, and soon, such an Hegemony will be impossible to duplicate and just as hard to fund and maintain. They also know time changes all things. Like a river that cuts through mountains, it is the constant and continuous pressure of the water that will win the day. They know this because we taught it to them.

They have studied the problem --- and --- being the people that they are, their logic has lead them to exercise patience and adopt the opposite approach - a non-military approach; using the very tools that work the best on the US. It is a 21st Century approach. They have chosen an economic approach. They will use they very resource that they have in abundance. They know that, in order to make a dollar, Americans will sell-off the entire country, allow their infrastructure to deteriorate, diminish their industrial strength, outsource every job, and dismantle their entire systems for scientific eduction, research and development (the very things that permitted the Sleeping Giant to awaken and Rise) --- for its break-up value; even if it means their own destruction. And we've done exactly that. Once the US has no more revenue to support its huge advantages in the projection of military power, it will cease to be a a credible challenge to Chinese dominance.

American Leadership is in it for the profit of the day, not the future.

Again, just one man's opinion.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

If China makes the appropriate response, the US will end up in a sorry state of affairs. The US is taking China as an idiot when it tries playing this type of game. It's just like a game of chess. If you launch an attack on my king side, I shall make a counterattack on your queen side.

If smaller countries like Vietnam, North Korea, Iran, Pakistan, Cuba and Sudan know how to play their cards against the big powers, it will be very stupid for China if it does not use the same method to counter the US.

It will be suicide for China to sit idly and do nothing break the US encirclement. It should seriously consider getting Russia into the region to counterbalance US military hegemony in East Asia. It should consider hosting facilities for Russian warships, allowing the Russian Navy to keep a watchful eye over US naval activities in Asia.

 

You're oblivious to international affairs. The Chinese are probably more suspicious of the Russians than they are of the U.S. China and Russia share overlapping spheres of influences. One is a rising great power and other is a declining super power. The same situation exists with India.

 

"We have no permanent friend. We have no permanent enemies. We just have permanent interests."
- Benjamin Disraeli

Please refer to http://www.great-quotes.com/quote/1085185

The philosophy of the above quote has been applied time and again by weak countries like Vietnam, Pakistan and North Korea when seeking a third country to counterbalance against a more powerful enemy. Vietnam, in particular, is a master of this type of tactics. Do you think that Vietnam has no suspicion of the US?

Compared with Russia, the US has given China more trouble since the founding of the Republic. China has launched more diplomatic protests to the US than to Russia. The latest one was in protest against the recent meeting between Obama and Dalai.

 

I don't think that Chinese honor would permit them to grant basing rights to the Russian Navy.

 

Very well reasoned opinion. China would be well advised to maintain a low profile and not draw attention to itself. America is in the process of committing suicide. The successor states that arise in the wake of the collapse of America won't be able to project power very far from the North American continental shelves.

 

Dropping bombs is not the same thing as "carpet bombing".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpet_bombing

 

Yea, tell that to the South Koreans.

And bringing up a 14th century voyager which has no bearing on the modern country is pretty much worthless.

Instead, look more to the last 150 years. Where you had China involved in incidents ranging form the Boxer Rebellion to their more recent annexations and border conflicts.

 

That is exactly right. The chance of China allowing the Russians to build a port in their country is about as likely as the Republican Party nominating President Obama of representing them in the next election.

Russia (and before them the Soviet Union) have had long standing conflicts with China. And this has only strengthened since the collapse of the SOviet Union.

China now sees itself as the world leader in the march to eventual World Communism. And since the collapse of the Soviet Empire, they have been showing to some how their model is superior.

Not to mention their longstanding conflicts in influence on third world nations. As much as these countries used the US and Soviet Union against each other, they also use China and Russia against each other.

So no, there is no chance that Russia will ever have a Chinese Naval Base. Heck, the current Russian pacific Fleet is smaller then that of China. It only has 1 Cruiser, 5 Destroyers, 8 Missile Subs, and 11 Attack subs.

The Russian Pacific Fleet (and before it the Soviet Pacific Fleet) was never a serious threat to the US. They always put their emphasis in the Atlantic Ocean and neighboring seas. Not in the Pacific where their access was limited and not very effective.

 

What seems telling is that Russia's new SSBN ballistic missile boats with their newly developed missiles are going to be stationed in Vladivostok where they can be fired at either America or China. If Russia didn't perceive China to be a threat those boats would be stationed at ports where their missiles could take the direct polar route to America.

 

Albert Di Salvo, et al,

Not to worry.

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The Russians are just following a very sound deployment selection.

Given the limited number of resources it has, it made the deployment selection to a central launch point that is the most flexible and versatile. Just as we would do. There is nothing sinister here.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

The US doesn't deploy ballistic missiles against those it does not perceive as potential foes. Russia is doing the same thing with countries it perceives as potential foes. Since the Bulava missiles are deployed so as to reach China, it must be presumed that Russia considers China to be a potential foe.

 

Albert Di Salvo, et al,


Like much of the misdirected US Foreign Policy, you are trying to apply US logic to the Russians.

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Try thinking like a Russian!

What makes the Russian look like a balancing counterforce, from the perspective of to the nations in the world, that think the US is loose cannon on deck.

Just because a certain deployment strategy makes sense to us, does not mean that the Russian, in order to maintain world relevance, will come to the same conclusion.

Think like a Russian that wants to represent the other (anti-American or fearful) nations of the world that want a shield, other than what America has to offer.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

Thanks for the advice. But Russia isn't relevant now. It's not going to strike America except in response to an American first strike. And America isn't going to attack Russia period. Moreover, Russia's demographic trajectory is terminal.

 

The Chinese economy is fueled by the U.S. exports. Russia can't make similar claims. Russia, however, exerts influence in the same geographic area as China does.

 

Yea, tell that to the North Koreans.

Shall I bring you back to the era of Ancient Greece when your ancestors (the Western Europeans) were living in caves while the Chinese, Indians, Persians, Egyptians, Babylonians and Jews were enjoying high standard of civilizations?

Or to the Age of post-Columbus when the ancestors of the white Americans committed all sorts of evil against the natives of the so-called New Continent?

Or back to the present reality where America is printing money like toilet paper?

 

What do you call a group of people who benefit from participation in a society built on the graves of American Indians?

Asian Americans.

 

Don't talk about honour when an evil person is planning to stab you on the back. When a dishonourable guy tries all means to undermine you, you are really an idiot if you continue to treat the rogue with honour and courtesy.

Benjamin Disraeli's quote on "permanent interests" applies to all nations, including China. Perhaps you are one of the rare breeds already on the high road to Heaven that offers the right cheek when slapped on the left.

Please refer to << Matthew 5:39 >> at http://bible.cc/matthew/5-39.htm

 

Your post went right over my head. Maybe it's because you're smarter than I am. Would you mind stating it again in terms lesser beings such as myself might understand? Thanks.

 

*scratches head*

I have no idea what this means. Absolutely none.

Greece for one is in South-Eastern Europe. And they were not living in caves. Like the Minoans, they had a flourishing culture.

And it was not much different in Western Europe. In England you had Stonehenge being built at around 2500 BCE, as well as a great many other huge structures and constructions.

And I have to wonder where you get your information about American Indians. Most of the native Americans died from disease, and internal warfare. They had been slaughtering each other for thousands of years before Europeans arrived (just ask the Aztecs about that).

 

What do Asian Americans have to do with the Chinese agenda?

 

The four Chinese words were posted to test your claim of being a Sinophile. It seems that you understand not a single word of Chinese. The four words are a Chinese idiom literally means "playing a lute to a bull". It implies that it is a waste of time explaining if the listener either never understands any explanation or resorts to evading all questions by pretending that he understands nothing at all.

 

I have no choice but as the Chinese idiom goes, continue to "play the lute to a bull".