The Confederate battle flag

There is no such thing as "different race"

 

MLK didn't rebel against our country and form a new one of his own for the express purpose of racial subjugation. The Confederacy did. See the difference now?

 

Telling them? I'm only talking to you. Are you one of them?

 

I only disown the negatives of CHAZ/CHOP

This illustrates why ideologues are at a disadvantage. They try to see the world as black vs white. And reality never is.

 

Which is all of it....right? Or do you find it acceptable that they took over 6 blocks?

 

I don't get offended over words. Why should I? It's just words. Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. It's an old saying. But still quite valid. It is also the difference between leftists and everyone else.

You think they wave the flag to support slavery?

 

Im not. But im not the only one reading this conversation either.

Neither of which is particularly important. Unless you'll suggest all the images and videos of blacks sporting the rebel flag are fakes, then its clear that some blacks don't view it as a symbol of racism or black slavery. So the question then becomes: on what basis do you maintain that the rebel flag is necessarily a symbol of racism or black slavery for everyone else?

 

I see. So now you see you couldn't prove what you said you could prove... and you want me to prove it for you.

You said you could prove it... you prove it!

Then you have nothing to worry about. Report it and prove it.

I didn't say that that racist flag insults me. Racism insults moral values. The flag is a racist insult to black people. And, your main problem is that you explicitly said that you were posting it to offend.

Careful. I believe posting forum rules is also against forum rules. But see Rule 7.

 

For most who fly it these days, it is a flag of historical revisionism and/or historical ignorance rather than outright racism.

 

A confederate flag is not "words". Being offended is a natural reaction against something that is perceived as an assault on moral values. Anybody who says they are never offended is either lying or lacks moral values. It would be better if it's the former.

I couldn't care less why they wave it. I am explaining what the effect is given its history and what it represents. If somebody did this without knowing, it just needs to be explained to them. If after this is explained to them they insist, they are expressing racism.

 

Well, that's certainly what the Confederacy stood for, above all else. However, most who wave the flag now do so out of supporting historical revisionism, not slavery. They are far more dedicated to actually erasing history than are any of the people supporting the removal of statues.

 

The very phrase "the confederate flag of today" is an oxymoron. There is no Confederacy today. The Confederacy stood for slavery and white supremacy. If you are flying a Confederate flag for anything else, then you are flying it for historical revisionism.

 

Good to hear. Then we will never have to hear you use the word, racist again.

 

You dont speak for all black people. I know a few who have zero problem with it.

 

Again, because it has come to stand for erasing history. If it carried its actual historical context, everyone who opposes slavery and white supremacy would oppose it. These days it stands for people willing to erase history and make up a happier version.

 

Nice opinion. It stands for Southern Heritage for many. A Heritage the left is trying to erase.

 

These fools have torn down and defaced statues and monuments of all types all over the country. Many honoring individuals that were on the side of the north and some that actually helped slaves escape from the south, so no, I see no difference between what those fools demand and what a group of fools on the other side want.
What's good for the goose you know.

 

Who said anything about "banning". We're talking about the fact that they are morally offensive.

Your attempts to defend an immoral position are quite disturbing.

 

The Confederacy stood for slavery. That isn't my opinion. That's what they had to say about themselves. Anyone flying the Confederate flag for anything other than the Confederacy's cause is doing so in order to erase history.

Yes, most people who fly it these days do so out of historical ignorance, not out of maliciousness. They are also badly misguided when it comes to "Southern Heritage." If the only symbol of Southern Heritage that you can think of is a flag that represents ~4 ****ing years of Southern history, all of which were focused purely on slavery, then do some serious soul searching.

I've had my crappy Yaris for 3 times longer than the Confederacy existed. I don't use my Yaris to celebrate my "heritage."

 

If you support the flying of the Confederate flag for anything other than slavery, then you are at least as guilty of trying to erase history as they are, if not more so.

 

Why? Did they keep Trump from taking a photo op with an upside down Bible at a church again?

 

I have no doubt you are correct about differing opinions on the symbolism, and it's this ambiguity that causes problems.

What is clear is the original meaning of the flag, which is why it's being removed. I paid no mind to the General Lee when watching Dukes of Hazzard, but that doesn't mean the symbolism painted on the roof of the iconic '69 Charger doesn't stand for slavery.

One museum which displays one of the show's cars will continue to display it. This is how it should be - in a museum.

https://www.dailyherald.com/news/20...y-volo-museum-wont-remove-general-lee-display

IMO, the craziness will die down, and we will deal with this issue in a rational manner.

 

Although it is certainly possible to interpret the possession of the Stars and Bars as a "connotation of allegiance," that is not mandatory.

And that "connotation of allegiance" is not necessarily to slavery, either (which some associate--mistakenly, I believe--with an allegiance to the antebellum South).

Some have maintained that the United States--not just the South, but the entire United States--was built upon slave labor.

Should we then "retire" Old Glory?

 

Slavery happened over SEVENTY years under the flag of the USA. This is where you say "but they did not go to war to preserve it" Wont matter to the SJWs who will call for it's removal. What do you think that flag represents to Native Americans? Something worse than slavery, genocide. So why is it just peachy to fly it?

 

Maybe next time he should kneel with a scarf from a tribe of slave traders for the cameras?