The coup investigation is about to enter a new phase.

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They seem to believe voicing criticism of the Capital police's decision about accepting crowd control help somehow absolves Trump and his merry band of insurrectionists from responsibility for what they did leading up to 1/6.
     
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    No... We believe voicing criticism of the Capital police's decision about not accepting crowd control help somehow absolves Pelosi and her ilk from overseeing responsibility for what they did allowing 1/6 to happen... it was their duty and job to repel all threats to the Capitol from domestic or foreign source.... and they failed.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Makes you wonder why Trump didn't order the deployment of the NG immediately after he became aware the Capital was under siege. The obvious answer being he wanted his mob to succeed in delaying Biden's EC certification.
     
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    Look at the facts of impeachment #2.... the very same claims by the very same people... and they are trying to do the very same thing as in the impeachment... and each and every member of this committee already voted to impeach Trump..

    The FBI hasn't found any evidence that the January 6 assault on the US Capitol was part of an organized plot to overturn the election results in their investigation into this very same matter..

    Crimes are investigated by the FBI... not Congress... any crimes they uncover they have to refer back to the FBI. Once again" show me the man, I'll show you the crime" applies.
     
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    They do not. Oversight is done by Congressional committees.

    Chuck was not Senate leader. McConnell was at the time. Did GOP send a letter to him?
     
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    Truth!
     
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    That was Orange Jesus' historical revisionism at play. He lied (shocker, I know!).

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-not-order-10000-troops-secure-capitol-jan-6/

    The whole point behind making that claim was to say that he attempted a pre-emptive strike to keep things under the control.

    #1 The problem with that lie is he has NEVER asked for NG back-up at any rally prior to Jan. 6th, 2021 or since that date. Why would he be concerned about there being NG back-up for just that one?

    He told his supporters "Be there. It's going to be WILD!" (tweet) He knew they would listen. He and Giuliani got them even more riled up and the snake snuck out the backdoor to watch it unfold on television.

    Notwithstanding anything else,

    * He sent one tweet during the Capitol riot "We love you all."
    * Both he and Giuliani misdialed and implored Senator Lee to stop the certification.
    * He ignored repeated called from Pence and Pelosi to engage the NG.

    His supporters don't seem to recognize that none of those actions speak to him wanting to keep things under control. In fact, they were for the express purpose of keeping things out of control in a bid to get what he wanted.

    He, nor his supporters at that riot, seem to understand that course of action could NEVER lead to his end goal. Even if our elected officials were in chambers and they were physically captured, hurt or even killed, there was NO PATHWAY to actually stop the certification. That outcome would be the same outcome that happened ==>> The certification would be delayed.

    Further, the POTUS is the Commander-in-Chief but the military supports our country, not our President. In the event of the NG showing up and Trump ordering them to stand down (in an effort to give the rioters more time to breach the building and locate the bullseye he put on Pence's back) their commanding officer could and would override that order. Again, the only outcome would be the outcome that happened. ==>>The certification would be delayed. The only thing that would be different in this scenario is he would probably have been taken into custody.

    And, for the life of me, I don't understand how he (well, he's an idiot so that makes sense) or so many of them didn't consider that anything they did or planned to do at the Capitol would have failed. That's exactly why we policies and procedures and checks and balances and Orange Jesus doesn't like any of that so he constantly lies to them betting on them not knowing either.

    The worst part is at some point between <when he knew he couldn't be re-elected because of his lack of leadership with the pandemic> and January 5, 2021, he was informed that there was no way to stop the certification. It was reported that Pence talked to his own attorneys and was specifically told that he took an oath to out country to carry out the responsibilities for his position. Just think about how vile that is. He willfully sent his supporters to the Capitol KNOWING nothing they did would stop the process. That's just f*cking evil. Those men and women are sitting in prison or about to be for the sole reason they trusted their President was telling the truth.
    I've often wondered how many of them sitting in prison or about to be have changed their allegiance. He hasn't even had the decency to acknowledge them with the exception of that speech to distance himself from what happened. It has to hurt to see the one you stood up for won't stand up for you.
     
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    And I used your own post to show you that Congress has oversight of all. Take your time to read it…. It is in plain English
     
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    There's a difference between over sight and day to day security decisions.
     
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    This nothingburger is even more pathetic than the russian klooshun hoax.
    Does this one taste better? Should I try it?
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    Swing Voters Don’t Like the January 6 Committee Critics

    Republicans who disrespect the January 6 Committee are not winning over swing voters. Democrats, meanwhile, remain on firm political ground with “persuadables” when they endorse the committee’s investigation.

    These are among the top takeaways from 13 Trump-to-Biden voters in key swing states, participating in two online focus groups on December 14. These four Republicans, three Independents, and six Democrats made it very clear that the committee’s work matters to them—even if they are not paying very close attention day-to-day.

    When we asked if the committee is a waste of time and money, only one respondent thought said it was. The rest said things like this:

    • “People need to be held accountable. That was a terrible day in our history,” said Sherrie, 64, from Pewaukee, Wisconsin.
    • “[Trump] wants to run again for president, so I think it’s important for us to know the facts,” added Kathleen, 48, from Casselberry, Florida.
    • “I think that it’s important to know why this really happened in order to keep it from happening again,” said Alisa, 41, from Phoenix.
    Additionally, the groups unanimously agreed that if a person refuses to testify or turn over documents to the committee, that individual should go to jail.
    https://www.thebulwark.com/swing-voters-dont-like-the-january-6-committee-critics/

    It's gratifying to see moderates have not been persuaded by attempts to block and or obfuscate the 1/6 committee's work.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Fries with that burger?

    How close did America come to constitutional collapse on January 6? Closer than we knew. Earlier this week, CNN obtained a disturbing memo written by one of Trump’s legal advisers during the two-month period between Election Day last year and January 6. Conservative lawyer John Eastman proposed that then–Vice President Mike Pence could try to overturn the election results during the joint session of Congress and give Trump a second term. In practical terms, it describes a plan for carrying out a coup d’état—one in which Pence would single-handedly throw out legitimate votes for Biden until Trump had enough to win.
    https://newrepublic.com/article/163764/john-eastman-coup-memo-pence

    Newly released text messages that were sent on Jan. 6 to Mark Meadows, a former chief of staff in the Trump White House, have put a renewed focus on President Donald Trump’s failure to act quickly to stop the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol as it was unfolding, despite real-time pleas from lawmakers, journalists and even his eldest son.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ew-focus-trumps-inaction-during-jan-6-attack/

    A former Trump White House official says he and right-wing provocateur Steve Bannon were actually behind the last-ditch coordinated effort by rogue Republicans in Congress to halt certification of the 2020 election results and keep President Donald Trump in power earlier this year, in a plan dubbed the “Green Bay Sweep.”
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump...ned-to-overturn-bidens-electoral-win?ref=home

    On January 5, Congressman Jim Jordan sent a text message to then-White House chief of staff Mark Meadows that argued that the certification of the 2020 election could be blocked by the vice president.

    "On January 6, 2021, Vice President Mike Pence, as President of the Senate, should call out all electoral votes that he believes are unconstitutional as no electoral votes at all," the text message read.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jim-jordan-mark-meadows-pence-block-election/
     
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    Pelosi is involved in neither
     
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    Congress involves only Pelosi? News to me.
     
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    Here is your own post showing Congress has oversight... It is in plain English and it is from your post. Read it.
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    And if Pelosi is not involved... why did they need her permission. Why was a note passed for her permission on Jan. 6 if it was not needed? This comes from one of your fake news lefty sites ya'll are so proud of.. And she "instructed" them to acquire MCConnells OK. Why would she be giving out orders when she is not involved.?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/21/us/politics/capitol-riot-security-delays.html

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    The Committee definitely has a legislative purpose. We’ll likely see what has stood as tradition or gentleman’s agreements in regard to the transfer of power codified. Also changes in record keeping, WH communication (devices in particular), campaign finance, and—-wait for it—the FCC. Consumers might get what they’ve been clamoring for from cable providers for decades.

    What I suspect the public will be shocked about is the amount of coordination during the assault on the Capitol. I definitely wouldn’t want to be Alex Jones, Ali Alexander, or Roger Stone or those rep’s inside the Capitol like, Jim Jordan. They’re toast.

    Plus those that think Garland needs to do more first, need to pay attention and then need to relax. The latter is dependent on the former. Due process is time consuming especially for a DOJ that is stretched as far as they are right now.
     
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    They need her permission because they are asking for another agency to enter capitol grounds. She is not in charge of day to day activities of the police force.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/15/us/politics/capitol-riot-national-guard-request.html
    So it looks like Pelosi wasn't informed of the request beforehand.

    Who's in control of the DC national guard? The president. Why did it take so long? Surely if you blame Pelosi for her subordinates, you must blame Trump, right? And if they needed McConnell's permission, why was McConnell not addressed in the letter?
     
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    Cheap talk... it's all you got
     
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    So why wasn't McConnell included in the letter? Do you think he should have been?
     
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    More cheap talk... you have nothing.
     
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    More deflection. I guess the seat is getting too hot for you...
     
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    Why wasn't McConnell included in the letter? It's obvious they left him out... but who could answer the question WHY.. I know who could get that answer.... the January 6 committee.

    Will the full and impartial investigation by the Jan 6 committee not look into why security was inadequate and who was doing what, before, during , and after? The committee will not go within a country mile of that question.

    Is your seat getting warm?... Real investigation get real answers.
     
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    :roflol:Just wow
     
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    DC national guard is controlled by the president. Look it up.
     

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