The Delta variant will cause 'very dense outbreaks' in these five states, expert says

The Delta variant will cause 'very dense outbreaks' in these five states, expert says

(CNN)The Delta variant, a strain of Covid-19 believed to be more transmissible and dangerous than others, is likely to break out in some US communities, a health expert told CBS's Face the Nation.

"It's not going to be as pervasive," Dr. Scott Gottlieb, former commissioner of the US Food and Drug Administration, told the station Sunday. "It's going to hyper-regionalized. There's certain pockets of the country where you're going to have very dense outbreaks."

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Arkansas governor calls on more individuals to get vaccinated as hospitalizations rise

In Arkansas, where only 33.9% of residents are fully vaccinated, Gov. Asa Hutchinson is encouraging residents to be inoculated -- and preparing contingency plans to deal with a potential outbreak.

Along with low vaccination rates, Arkansas is seeing high numbers of hospitalizations, Hutchinson told CBS.

... https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/28/health/us-coronavirus-monday/index.html​

I couldn't help but notice that this section of the forum is increasingly dominated by misinformation and disinformation lately. I guess the purveyors of such are much more motivated to post than us rational folk are. It is a problem inherent to online forums in general, of course.

Anyway, what they post can only contribute to this problem, the problem of people in such states as Arkansas being misled into fearing the vaccines and/or believing the pandemic is over, when in reality neither is the case.

Get your jabs, boys and girls. I got the J&J. It didn't cause any blood clots. Statistically speaking, the vaccines are quite safe, and a lot safer than contracting Covid-19 without having been vaccinated well in advance.

 

There is a very effective prophylactic that could stop this threat cold. No vaccine needed. Protection would be up to 73% the first week after administration and 93% the following weeks instead of having to wait weeks for protection with a vaccine.

Shame public health and human life is such a low priority. But it’s nothing new. Just more disinformation from the “top” and withholding of information from the poor schmucks who do the dying.

 

Why would you post something like this and not include what the prophylactic is?

 

The real question is why hasn’t someone like Biden or Fauci informed you what it is. Apparently it’s “need to know” type information and well....I was hoping the OP wanted you to know. It’s his chance to shine, demonstrating his depth of knowledge and concern for fellow citizens.

If you can’t get the OP to fill you in I’ll step in and help you out. It sounds like you may be interested in this product. I think that’s great.

 

thankfully so many patriotic Americans have got the vaccine, so should slow the spread

 

Depends on the region, unfortunately, as the headline and content of the article indicate. Some states may get ugly because their vaccination rates are low.

 

sad but true, seems like Trump supporters and minority males tend to be the groups most resistant to getting vaccinated

some States are trying to offer freebies to get the shot, even guns and joints

 

Yep. The only thing that is really going to work is a strong drive to get people informed and encouraged to act. Got to address their fears and concerns. But that's hard to do when many just ignore all sources of good information or ignore the situation altogether.

 

the odd part to me is that Trump supporters know how close the swing states are, yet not getting the vax could be a game changer in the outcome

and to top if off, Trump got the vaccine in January, even after getting covid himself and having some natural immunity

 

I have seen all manner of bs on this forum and I reckon I've contributed some as well. What makes you think that Durandal has knowledge of this prophylactic any more than I do? It is your assertion, not his. I am interested to see you complete your assertion by naming the substance you propose has the properties you claim it does. Is there something unreasonable or partisan in my question? I think not.

 

You have not seen BS from me. You may see a lot of information from me based on empirical evidence that conflicts with media and “expert” supplied information that is not based on evidence, but never BS. And it will always be information intended to help people protect themselves and their families from sickness and death. I’ve seen too much disinformation result in death to desire to add to it.

Here is a pretty good summary article on this product that for some reason nobody is particularly interested in making available. It fits the OP concern perfectly as it is excellent at preventing further infections in small outbreak situations. Much better than vaccines.

https://www.healthline.com/health-n...y-drug-a-game-changer-for-covid-19-prevention

The above article hits some of the high points but not all the great details, some of which I mentioned earlier. If anyone is still interested in learning more I’m happy to supply phase 3 trial information etc.

 

good news, but doesn't replace the vaccine for most, but may help those that are immune compromised

but would help where people have not had the vaccine yet and a member of their household gets covid and they want to stay with them and do not yet have covid - as getting a vaccine at that point would not help as takes to long to get to full immunity

"They also say that while vaccines will remain our best way to end the pandemic, antibody treatments offer a valuable alternative for people who won’t benefit as much from vaccination, like people with compromised immune systems."

 

No, I haven't seen any bs from you, which is why I asked the question. I agree it is a bit of a mystery why the monoclonal antibody jabs are not mentioned more by the government and the media. I first heard of them several months ago from a neighbor who received the shots and mentioned them to my wife. Your posts are usually very straightforward, so I found it confusing why you would mention something as a treatment option and exclude mentioning what it was. So, anyway, thanks for following up on my question.

 

Yes agree with the above. But would add there would be great value in giving people an option to vaccination. If public health and life saving is the goal, a non vaccine option would go far to further both goals in people opposed to vaccination.

Also, this needs to be available as a treatment for healthy people who have breakthrough infections after vaccination. As of now only high risk (fat, diabetic, immunocompromised, etc.) can receive it as a treatment.

Remember, those who refuse vaccination don’t personally benefit from vaccines nor does the public. This is a great way to promote public health in the demographics who will never vaccinate.

 

Thanks for your patience. Mine is wearing thin. I’m tired of the institution we should be able to trust implicitly (science) being dishonest and letting itself be used for political gain even to the point of doing things intentionally that lead to deaths. I introduced this to PF in a couple other threads and it has been soundly rejected. For political reasons I’m quite sure.

I hate to bring politics back into it, but politics is likely why you have not heard great things about it. It was developed by friends of D. Trump and is in fact the treatment Trump was given under compassionate care exclusion when he was infected. Both founders of Regeneron are “politically incorrect”.

The paragraph immediately above is just my opinion based on research I’ve done on the history of the company.

 

Most of the members here are pretty firmly committed to their opinions and of those, many are also influenced by conforming to the political view of their team. A friend of mine that is a classically behaved analytical engineer completely abstains from debate and deflects that everything now is just a matter of tribal opinion. Interesting guy, having been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer he has been as calm, cool and collected about it as a fighter pilot running through a mental checklist of operational procedures required to make it back to base after having been strafed by enemy fire. He will not however engage in a detailed debate with me about our mutually educated opinion regarding the likely reliability of 100 year climate forecasts. My point in mentioning this anecdote is that all of our virtual relationships on this forum are very likely paralleled by real life relationships, and are to no small extent, no less real.

PF has been overloaded with Covid 19 posts from folks like Centerfield on one side and Eleuthera on the other. Both of which I have found some posts of theirs that I agree with and others that I do not in about a 50/50 ratio provided that I am not limiting this to just Covid 19 posts from them. On Covid 19 I find myself to be in a bit more agreement with Centerfield, however I also find that Eleuthera and the data do not support classification of this as a pandemic worthy of the vast socio-economic measures we have seen here in the US. Independent restaurant owners, musicians, and other performance artists have been devastated by policies based on ICU bed availability and fear of dying. We have literally crippled our ability to live for fear of dying, imo, and that is something that I think merits some substantial consideration.

Lots of other members here post stuff that I agree with or have enough respect to disagreeing with but not place on ignore. Unfortunately, there are many members here that I find so disagreeable and deceptive in their responses to my challenges to their posts that I've simply had to ignore, since I, myself have some anger issues with reading and responding to stuff I view as wrong and or inconsistent or in some cases responding in a way to a member that could rightfully be considered me trolling them. Wait, what? This paragraph is a bit like a GNU license agreement isn't it? PF in general and Covid 19 in particular is somewhat of a cluster f of an online discussion board. Circular is what I'm talking about if anyone is not familiar with the GNU reference.

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You mention Trump as a possible explanation of why monoclonal antibody treatments are not being advanced.

Well, that is likely an influence because this toxic piece of garbage somehow managed to win still unpublished concessions from the RNC so that he wouldn't run as a third party candidate. Concessions which allowed him to have disproportionate control of the primary election format, albeit not likely of much significance to the final outcome of winning the primary challenges. I would have voted for Kasich and maybe even Jeb over Hillary, but no way was I voting for Trump, Cruz or Rubio. I've forgotten at this moment the other candidates and choose not to google it....

I believe that my opinion of Trump being a worse choice than Hillary has been fully validated. Never before in the history of the US has a President attempted to invalidate the results of an election, fired the Secretary of Defense after the election and installed a temporary appointee. What is the most likely Occam's Razor explanation for that? Could it be that he believed his new appointee would support a military coup? Clearly he had his pos AG resign due to his attempt to invalidate the election.

Misstated in his inaugural address "This American carnage stops right here and stops right now," rather than "This American carnage starts right here and starts right now."

Fortunately, his ability to recognize and cultivate competent talent is vastly different from his self assessed skill at this particular ability - among many other Kruger Dunning types of self assessment failures.

His buddies at Regeneron must not have kicked into his kitty enough to get their stuff mentioned in the many pressers that he bombastically dominated with inane comments promoting Healight UV intubation technologies and how he's smarter and quicker to understand all this stuff than even the professional medical doctors.

Fauci. There are issues with Fauci. He played fast and loose and quite political with French research identifying the HIV virus. And the US has continued this with Covid, supporting US big pharma to "develop" tests rather than properly refrigerating and using the tests that dipshit Jared bought from the UAE, iirc; and the other globally available tests that would have benefitted a coordinated effort to contain this somewhat marginally dangerous virus. Additionally, I have little doubt regarding the stories that Fauci did in fact fund that Wuhan lab to conduct gain of function experiments. And that this phrase is an absurd description of what has historically been described as biological weapons development.

Apologies, bit of an epic rant I suppose....

 

I've seen about 5 commercials concerning monoclonals on tv in the last couple of days

Vaccines enable us to eradicate a disease rather than treat it. They were developing treatments for smallpox contemporaneous with Jenner but people were still routinely scarred by the disease everywhere.

 

If you don't mind my asking, where do you live and what channel did you see them on?

 

If there are TV commercials about the use case I’ve presented many people will go to jail. There has been no EUA (or licensing) for passive vaccination/prophylactic use. Advertising would be illegal.

It can only be used as a treatment for outpatients with a positive test result and high risk factors—many of which are lifestyle induced risk factors.

 

Baltimore MD and I think one of the big 3 networks (ABC, CBS, NBC) but I don't remember which. They're well-produced and seem to have government backing. They're being directed at people who have just tested positive with risk factors and having just been vaccinated I didn't pay much attention.

 

Please don't take this wrongly but why did you include that?

 

No problem. I assumed when I lamented it wasn’t being used it was obvious. Bad assumption on my part, I failed to be concise. I have provided much more detail in another thread. I should have repeated the information or linked to it here.

You have my apology. Here’s more information from another thread. Just start here and there are posts following with more details on EUA’s etc.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?posts/1072734400/

 

Ok, thanks for responding. I've not seen any media or government coverage of this biotechnology - the monoclonal antibody injections. Interesting to see that you have seen some broadcast media coverage of these in Baltimore. This may be true here in Houston as well but I likely would not have seen it given the small amount of time I have NBC, ABC, CBS or FOX selected on my cable feed. Discovery channel and Food network pablum often occupy more of my attention than I should admit to.

 

I’m sorry your friend has cancer. My dad died of pancreatic cancer. You have my sympathy. You and your friend are in for a rough go but it sounds like he’s tough and well prepared.

I agree PF members mirror our “real life”. It’s because everyone is getting their “programming” from the same places. Original thought is nearly nonexistent and critical thought is only slightly more common. The places providing the dueling programming know critical thought is severely impaired when in a state of fear or anger—so we are constantly assaulted with fear and anger porn.

We were lucky to have Centerfield here during the pandemic. Information he provided was/is based on empirical evidence—every time—as it should be. He made information available you couldn’t have paid to get elsewhere. Eleuthera has the cajones to point out much of what we’ve been “fed” is pure garbage. That’s important as well. In fact it’s vital if we are to salvage the reputation/credibility of science. If we let the lies told by “experts” during Covid stand, science is dead as an institution that can be trusted to be the arbiter of truth/reality by providing empirical evidence.

LOL. Things like GNU are way outside my wheelhouse. I stick to things I know something about like biology. . But I see your point. I don’t put anyone on ignore because even the complete nuts teach me about why they are nuts and that’s pretty valuable information. LOL
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I guess I feel like the American people have been given garbage candidates to vote for on both sides—intentionally for years. But I do think the people have voted in the lesser of evils pretty consistently. Truth be told I really don’t care anymore. I know they are all trash and I’m better off spending energy others waste on hating and bashing politicians making my personal life better. Nothing I do can influences national politics anyway. They don’t care about me, why should I care about them? That said, both Trump and Biden are dumber than a box of rocks, especially on Covid, and again it’s more productive to ensure we make good personal choices on Covid than worry too much about what ignorant politicians say on the subject.

Fauci is a very intelligent man who has fooled almost everyone. He’s so intelligent he fooled very intelligent people. He gave very bad advice on Covid mitigations—advice diametrically opposed to empirical evidence. And he delivered the advice in a way that blinded intelligent people to the blatantly false foundations of that advice. His only real contribution in my opinion is he demonstrated most people want to be lied to. He showed people aren’t opposed to disinformation from sources they approve of politically. There’s value in that. But as an epidemiologist he killed hundreds of thousands with his disinformation that didn’t have to die.

It’s interesting stuff. Like I said. We all better hash this out and get a handle on what value we place on empirical evidence vs. unsubstantiated opinion or political spin going forward.

 

And its not even just far-right people who are anti-vax. As we can tell from the states on the warning list there is a significant issue with vaccinations in Black communities in these states. Not enough attention is being paid to this and what little attention there is comes from wokies who just want to use it as an excuse to cry racism.