The Delta variant will cause 'very dense outbreaks' in these five states, expert says

He probably wanted slurpy

 

ALL of those trials were independently VETTED by the CDC and approved by the FDA.

So far Regeneron has ONLY been authorized for LIMITED use on a SUBSET of people ALREADY INFECTED with Covid.

There is ZERO authorization for any use as a PROPHYLACTIC against catching Covid.

So far there is ONLY that SINGLE study that has NOT yet been reviewed, vetted or approved for USE as a PROPHYLACTIC against the virus.

In essence there is NOTHING that SUBSTANTIATES these bogus allegations of yours.

Sad!

 

The POINT that DEBUNKS your allegation.

 

Fake news. No one is claiming that infections are the same as fatalities.

 

I’m quite aware of what EUA’s have been granted for this product and which haven’t. The fact it hasn’t been approved for more general use and as a prophylactic (passive vaccination) for the immunocompromised is the problem.

All the trials on Regen-cov were handled the exact same way as the trials of the vaccines. The EUA Regen-cov currently has was obtained through the FDA just as the ones for the vaccines were. The ones they are requesting for prophylactic use are requested on the basis of data and trials IDENTICAL to that used to approve Covid vaccines.

The vaccines were given EUA’s within 30 days of phase 3 trial data release. There is still no EUA for Regen-cov as a prophylactic months after formal request even though the exact same data was submitted to the FDA as was submitted by Phizer and Moderna for vaccine EUA.

The first product using monoclonal antibodies (that’s what Regen-cov is) was given license for use by the FDA 30 years ago. This is proven technology that’s in common use. The mRNA and vector vaccines are novel technologies never having been licensed ever by the FDA. (Actually the first adenovirus vector vaccine was licensed in 2019). So you are advocating for approval of never before approved or licensed technology with vaccines but oppose EUA for a 30 year old proven technology that released identical data to that used to evaluate and give EUA to vaccines.

Everything I’ve posted is a FACT supported by empirical evidence supplied by trials vetted EXACTLY THE SAME AS VACCINE TRIALS. No allegations. Allegations are not based on facts. My entire posting history on Covid is based on empirical evidence. Yours is based on incorrect opinions.

 

I support trump supporters doing their patriotic duty and not getting vaccinated by the nano tracking fake news sterilization virus developed by Gates and Soros to lead us to a one word government

They are truly doing gods work

 

As I understand it it is in the clinical testing stage and if all goes well then maybe it'll be ready by the end of the year. It has to go through the same scrutiny as did the vaccine. In the meantime it is far better for all to get vaccinated now than to wait. Far better for the health of people and the economy.

99% of all new cases are non-vaccinated people. That figure alone should get thee to a vaccination site.

 

How do you hide $10 from an Ophthalmologist? Stick it in a textbook

And Rand Paul is a prime example of that. He knows eyes and sod all else about the rest of the body.

 

WRONG...you did that right here;

You COMPARED infection rates to mortality rights!

FACTS matter!

 

More bovine excrement ALL you have left?

That study was ONLY completed in April and yet YOU are DEMANDING that the FDA MUST approve it as a prophylactic WITHOUT given them the APPROPRIATE amount of time to actually REVIEW the RESULTS?

That is both UNREASONABLE and UNSAFE from a medical perspective given that we NOW have vaccines so there is no NEED to cut any corners purely for the sake of a PROFIT MOTIVE at this point in time.

Sad!

But you do you!

 

Basic arithmetic. ( 630,000 /332,000,000) *100 =0.19% which is about 1/10 of the population drop needed to cause Armageddon.
Now add in that 99 out of 100 cases of covid now are in non-vaccinated people your non-vaccinated chances of dying from covid are 99 times as more likely now than if you were vaccinated. Those are the numbers you should care about.
Oh, and that 1% of vaccinated people getting Covid? It would become nearly zero if everyone got vaccinated. It's the fools and *******s not getting vaccinated that are infecting those who are.

 

The vaccines were given EUA’s about 30 days after release of phase 3 trial data. They are technologies that have NEVER been approved for use in humans.

This Regen-Cov product is 30 year old technology that has had numerous similar products in use and approved for decades. The first EUA for Regen-Cov was granted in far less time than we have waited now for expanded use EUA. It has been used SAFELY in the most vulnerable demographics since fall of 2020. We KNOW it’s safety record in people with comorbidity and now that phase 3 trials are complete for prophylactic use we know it is safe in healthy uninfected individuals as well.

After phase 3 trials are completed we have all the information we need. You supported much less safety data for vaccines. This product can be used to protect immunocompromised individuals who CANNOT be vaccinated so the existence of vaccines is irrelevant to the need for this product. The MOST vulnerable demographic is being denied a safe alternative to vaccination.

Profit was the motive for most vaccine companies. Why don’t you have a problem with that?

 

Interesting information, thanks. It took me awhile to look into your assertion and I find it to be mostly true. However, speaking of paragon's of virtue when Hastert was the speaker of the House under which this legislation passed seems to show you might have a bit of a blind spot regarding virtue.

I agree with your side of your argument with ronv over in that thread, but you either missed or chose not to respond to original(late)'s post:

I think you'll have a bit of challenge to successfully argue that deregulation has not been and continues to be a platform position dominated by the right. I guess the $160B S&L crises looks pretty quaint these days. Isn't it lovely that Milken received a full Pardon from Trump and has a pitifully small $3.8B net worth after having been at the very heart of the spider web that led directly to the S&L implosion?

Some of it seems to have worked out.

For example - Regular folks were only able to reasonably afford air travel due to deregulation - but I believe it could use a bit of tweak these days given that even when I cancel a ticket 30 days in advance of the flight the corporation gets to keep the money. There are some other steps that federal regulations might contribute to opening up competition since these days our airports have become monopolized in at least some places by a single carrier for domestic flights. Houston IAH is pretty much completely dominated by United and Houston Hobby by Southwest. Additionally I observed the quality of service to drop at Continental after its merger with United and also at Southwest after its merger with AirTran. I reckon Pan Am folks have a different view on the success of the Regan era FAA deregulation, hahaha....

As we have seen since the McConnell/Reid and McConnell/Obama feuds, nothing and I mean nothing gets done without the approval of the Senate majority. Clinton shifted the Ds quite a bit to the right in order to play ball with Dole/Lott/Gingrich /Hastert. His policies on Trade, Deregulation and Crime were completely aligned with R platform agenda items and/or agenda items that were broadly popular among both parties. Ds, imo, learned to become tough on crime after Bush successfully wasted Dukakis with the R's ad campaign. Hey look, another thing Trump achieved that I support - rolling back parts of the Biden/Clinton/HRC "Super-Predator" crime bill.

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Ok, to move a bit back on topic, and since I'm sure you've likely already offered some posts in support of Biden continuing lies about Covid, I'm curious what you have in mind on this issue since I've not seen any concrete examples you've provided in your posts about what they are in this thread. So a link to previous posts or maybe a few examples if you've not provided them yet.

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ps,
Yep, I agree that the Bush/Paulson Too-Big-to-Fail bailout didn't inflict enough pain on these investment bankers. Lehman Bros took a hit, but most of the rest escaped largely unscathed. Not sure I have an idea of what your thinking was the equivalent problem with FDR's New Deal since I'm not up to speed on how much of that bailed out Wall St.

 

Thank your for CONFIRMING that you are DEMANDING an UNSAFE protocol WITHOUT any JUSTIFICATION at this point in time.

Have a nice day!

 

I specifically mention Greenspan as a guilty party. I don’t generally list Republicans who wish to deregulate because that is common knowledge and accurate information. My post was to show the accepted narrative that Republicans were responsible for deregulation is utterly and completely false. I have serious problems with basing policy in the future on such monumental disinformation. Yes, of course Republicans wanted deregulation. But there is almost universal ignorance on the actions taken by Democrats and the Clinton administration. My aim was to remedy ignorance.

Interesting information on airlines. I don’t give two hoots about air travel most of the time so that was informative.
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Well there are two sides to that answer. First is all the disinformation supplied to the public under the Trump administration. Biden said he would follow science as President. If he were truly following science his administration would have to correct the disinformation given under Trump. He has not done so. Here is a list, not comprehensive, of such uncorrected disinformation.

Secondly, Biden said on the campaign trail he would increase testing 7 fold over where it was pre election. Testing increased by a factor of between 2 and 3 I believe without looking it up between when he made the statement and inauguration. After inauguration tests per day in the US began to fall precipitously even as we were seeing record daily deaths. Of course the whole thing was a campaign lie because all experts know testing as we did it in the US is virtually useless. It can’t identify infections until after the infected individual has been contagious for sometimes days. It’s just one example of Biden giving disinformation intentionally on matters of Covid science.

Another lie was his pledge to address masks. He led domestic producers of N95 masks to believe he would facilitate domestic use of their product. He never did. In fact his top epidemiologist never stopped telling Americans to NOT wear such masks.

Here’s one bit on this situation.

 

Ok. You have claimed it’s unsafe. Let’s see your evidence! LOL


Why don’t you start by showing how many lives it’s saved vs. how many people it’s killed!

 

Biden is following science?

Yes, of course, and so is Lester Holt and 60 Minutes.

When everything the American people believe is false, we will know the success of our misinformation efforts.

Gawd, do we have the government we deserve.

 

The FDA drug approval protocols are for SAFETY purposes and since you just established that YOU are UNAWARE of them that effectively DISQUALIFIES you from any further meaningful interaction on the topic as far as I am concerned.

Sad!

Have a nice day!

 

I disagree that the accepted narrative that Rs were responsible for deregulation is utterly and completely false, and I believe I pretty clearly already made my point why I disagree with you on this, nor do I agree it is monumental disinformation. However, I speak only for myself, because there are many here that are so tribal in their commitment to their team's narrative that they will make absurd arguments which easily lead one to respond aggressively with increasing amplitude resulting in some adjectives that may not have been used if the discussion was a bit cooler.

Clinton colluded with R agenda items and even led Congress with R initiatives. Anyone that disputes Clinton's epic right shift are not familiar with JFK and LBJ platforms. Carter, hmmm, ah, nice guy, not sure he had any more business in that office than Trump did. Hell, Clinton shifted right of Ike's positions, but Ike in some ways allowed his own party and administration to develop the very MIC he railed against in his speeches that bookended his Presidency. I'm in a way struggling with making an ironclad argument on this point though, because D and R platforms were largely indistinguishable from one another under Clinton.

China for example. Although, from my point of view, both Rs and Ds have assisted Corporate America in selling US out to China ever since Nixon. I view it historically as a geopolitical calculation that was primarily intended to seduce China into trade with the expectation that they would as a result decrease their military posture and increase their democratic nature. I think the first of these has largely been achieved. These recent statements that China has the largest Navy are a joke. They have one refurbished aircraft carrier and I think they may be trying to build one from scratch. Militarily they do not constitute a threat to Us and we should leverage that to get them off of any notion that we will not go to war with them on behalf of Taiwan. First however, we must convince ourselves of our willingness to call their bluff. Given that a lot of essential commodities come from China, it may not be a practical concept to go to war with them. Let's go to war with the country that supplies our medical kits? It could be done, if we built a coalition all the way from India to Singapore and South Korea along with the EU and the Commonwealth. Might be that passing up the TPP and getting sideways with our traditional allies wasn't our best response if China is our number one possible future threat.

How did China's response on agriculture products to Trump's tariffs work out for you? All good because you received taxpayer/unfunded subsidies? Soybean markets pretty much collapsed and bankruptcies increased by how much under Trump? How about your suppliers - did they receive subsidies? I have a friend who does agribusiness chemical sales and his sales plummeted under China's retaliations to Trump's tariffs.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of air travel myself anymore. Once I get through security it's almost as fun as it used to be. Flightimes seem to get shorter with every passing year, eh?

All of your points here seem to me to be valid, but so far you have only offered three main points of contention: improper recommendations for masking, misinformation on the effectiveness of PCR tests, and lack of approval of an EUA for prophylactic monoclonal antibody jabs.

I reckon I have to make a retraction on my previous assertion in this thread that Fauci played fast, loose and political during the HIV US/FR research war. That was pretty much just Gallo and he and his team did not likely steal the work from FR, particularly given that his team developed the blood test for it seems to me to indicate it was a coincidental development. Similar to Newton, Leibniz and calculus. So scratch that.

Getting your goat up about Fauci while giving Trump a pass on using the Covid briefings as a platform to rant on a host of other topics as well as clearly bloviating with how smart he was about molecular biology / epidemiology seems a bit overly generous to Trump. What statements did he make that he got right when Fauci was wrong?

 

Well, just like everyone else you are ignorant of the facts. Phase 3 trials have been completed for months and all safety data and other trial data has been filed with the FDA for months. In contrast, when phase 3 trials were completed for the vaccines EUA was granted in 30 days.

This product has been IN USE in infected people with comorbidity and it’s proven safe and effective.

Please for the love of Pete people. Educate yourselves. This passive vaccine can be given to people who are immunocompromised and CANNOT safely receive the vaccines or they are incapable of natural antibody production after vaccination. This product is the perfect product to protect these vulnerable people and limit transmission from them if they become infected because they CAN’T receive or benefit from the vaccine.

Again, please educate yourself. I’m trying to save lives here of people who CAN’T be vaccinated. Clearly saving lives is way down the list of priorities for you people. It’s sick. Especially when you’ve claimed to care.

 

I’m well aware all safety data is available to you, me and the FDA. Just like it was with the vaccines. Exactly like with the vaccines. If you don’t understand that it’s you who can’t have a meaningful discussion.

 

I have never met anyone aware of the information I’ve provided you on the Clinton administration. It seems you are very knowledgeable on the subject and you were also unaware. I present facts and people are welcome to accept them or deny empirical evidence. I have no control over that.

I agree with you on Clinton being a right winger in practice. It’s one fact that started me down the path of rejecting partisan politics and basing my life on facts instead of tribalism.

I like your idea but no politician has the balls to do it.

No I hate subsidies with a passion and actively advocate against them on PF. When Obama does it or when Trump does it.

Just for your information, the price of corn and soybeans doubled based on Chinese buying resulting from the tariff “trade war”. Trump is the only president in my lifetime to positively impact commodity prices through markets and not by subsidies alone or direct supply manipulation. It’s one of a very few things Trump didn’t completely screw up.

I haven’t flow commercial for over 20 years.

I have little knowledge of Fauci’s past. But I have a very good handle on his actions during Covid. They are despicable and almost entirely contrary to empirical evidence. And Biden kept him on. Enough said.

Trump’s briefings were stupid and I’ve been clear on that in past posts elsewhere. I never watched them. It’s great being a free country and not having to watch things you don’t like.

I’m on record once defending Trump on a matter of science. When he was correct and was censured and ridiculed for being correct. I’m not a fan of calling correct information misinformation any more than I am calling misinformation correct. It was when Trump said 100,000 people die annually of the flu in the US.

If you are interested, here’s the empirical evidence backing Trump’s claim. It’s in several posts in a thread starting with this link.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?posts/1072137735/

Oh, I did say he was correct on NY not needing as many ventilators as they wanted as well. Almost forgot that one.

 

I was completely unaware that we had an informal gap in enforcing standards for OTC traded items and for credit default swaps and collateralized debt obligations and that this gap was formally made into law by the Feds under Clinton's watch. There are not many examples of deregulation in our financial markets that have featured in desirable outcomes, except for Jamie Dimon and his pals. This act you reference was intimately linked to markets you are familiar with I am sure, so thanks for the education. Good Stuff 557.

Glad you agree about Clinton. Glad you like my point and theory about China. Glad you dislike subsidies.

I'm not sure your point on this year's corn and bean prices being double over last year's in Nebraska is the full picture. What was the delta at your place when China first retaliated versus the previous year? Maybe you lucked out and weren't impacted at all and if so I'm happy for your luck, but North Dakota was hit harder and deeper. Farm bankruptcies were up something like 8% year over year back in 18 or 19 I believe it was. Do correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not very familiar with this stuff and am making assertions based on very little reading.

557 - you know damn well that not all of us are rich 1000 acre multi-millionaire farmers flying on our own Lear jets having our own homemade fresh cream ice cream on the trip to visit pubs in the English countryside. Holy cow, no need to rub it in Sir.

Trump's participation in the Covid briefings weren't just stupid, they were the President of the US actually directly speaking as the head of our government over, above and beyond dedicated professional staff of the CDC/NIH/etc. It's kinda maybe like throwing 2Lt Calley under the bus when LTC Barker got a pass for My Lai and then saying that's the great thing about living in a free country - I don't have to watch things I don't like.

CDC estimates of annual us flu deaths vary by year and are substantial numbers that did come close to 100,000 on the high end of the estimate for the 17/18 season. Big deal. One fact among so much bs from this guy. And ventilators. Two facts.

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I think I asked you earlier in our convo in this thread if you supported Trump's continued influence on the GOP and the RNC and I don't recall your response to that one. Now, I'm not one to ask this to try to put you on the spot or beat a dead horse, but since you mention that you have posted many of your points to further fact based empirical evidence regarding Covid as well as Clinton's role in the 2007 banking crises, it does occur to me that I might want to challenge you regarding what type of effect you think his continuing influence in US politics represents. Net positive or net negative? Or too complicated to ascertain his net effect?

 

Yes my occupation would be much more difficult without futures trading.

It’s hard (for me) to disagree with things based on evidence.

Sorry for linking to previous posts but it’s easier than typing everything again in my phone. There is some discussion of subsidies etc. here as well.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?posts/1072673352/

As you know, local commodity prices are all based on CBOT futures. So the only price variation you get locally is small changes in basis—the difference between the futures price and the spot price. So where I live the basis for corn is pretty “tight” as I live close to the UP railroad. But still much wider than say right next to the Mississippi River. You get north of me and the basis widens considerably by as much as 15 cents a bushel. But that is still a very small percentage of the spot price you get for corn. The major component of prices everywhere is the futures price which is the same everywhere.

LOL. Crapola, that came out wrong. I should have said I’ve only flown in parachute planes since. I’m the guy who takes my 1998 Harley irrigating if I don’t need a pickup because it burns less gas. I’m not chartering or buying a plane.

As much disinformation as those agencies disseminated I’m not sure Trump was worse but I see why it bothers people. It’s funny though people like Cuomo were doing the same thing and everyone loved it.

Influenza deaths reported by the CDC usually fall in the 20-45,000 range. Even though over 100,000 die every year. It’s a big deal if you care about human life and honesty from government agencies.

It was a big deal to social media and other media. They called it misinformation. I’m kind of into judging things on whether they are factual or not, not on who says them.
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I’m happy to answer. I don’t care much about either party. Neither represent me, so neither really interests me. But I can conjure up an opinion.

Trump will likely destroy the Republican Party but it was dying anyway. If it had been healthy Trump would have never made it through the primaries. If the Republican Party wants to survive all it has to do is put forward a better option. We shall see if they do.

I think Trump running again is fantasy. I never voted for him but I know people who did who wouldn’t do so again. I think it’s pushed just to piss off Democrats. The whole thing is bread and circuses.

Trump hasn’t any real influence. He’s just one of the symptoms of a messed up society looking for answers. I much prefer to spend my energy figuring out how to mitigate the effects of bad policy on me or leverage it to my advantage. Doing so has paid off well in the past. Looking out for myself instead of trying to figure out how to get government or a politician to look out for me allowed me to observe Covid from the outside without having to worry about being infected if I didn’t want to be.

To try and be concise I suppose Trump was a net negative to the Republican Party. To society it remains to be seen. If his presidency results in waking people up to the “ideocracy” of politics today it may be a long term net positive. I’m not hopeful on that score though. People want to be lied to. I don’t think that will change.

 

Wrong! I posted two different linked measurements as it is impossible to die from COVID if you are never infected with COVID.

If I have 0.05 odds of falling off a bicycle, AND if I have 0.05 odds of being injured IF I fall off a bicycle, THEN I have 0.0025 odds of being injured in a bicycle fall.

Similarly:

i) Only 2.3% of the population has even caught COVID.
of these:
ii) The delta variant among the unvaccinated that has caught it, the number of deaths is .08% or, zero until you get to the fourth decimal point.

The fear mongering on Delta is just more of the psych-ops aimed at the American People by Left and Big Corporate Fake News Media.

If you only have a 0.023 odds of catching it, and if your odds of death are only 0.0008, then your odds of death from Delta are 0.0000184, or zero until the 5th decimal point.

You are free to panic over that if you wish to, but, I see nothing logically compelling about your choice to do so. A little respect from the Left toward those that hold different views and make different choices would not only do the whole country some good, but, you guys would feel better about yourselves, as showing respect toward others is its own reward.