The Democratic Coalition Is Falling Apart

I don't think the polling is showing that their warmongering is hurting them in the polls. So they probably don't feel they have any lessons to learn there.

 

Democrats do have the advantage, given that they only have one major albatross* hanging around their necks while the Republicans have multiple, with abortion being only one of them. However if "Our Democracy™." is at stake, it's a wonder the Democrats haven't moved to seal this open wound.



* The Israeli-Hamas war may ultimately add a brand new albatross to the Dems, one that would be more difficult to handle than immigration.

 

I can't remember now who first ventured this opinion, but the way it will probably shake out is that Biden goes on being his party's candidate, right up to the opening days of the Democrat convention next August. THEN, with all his committed delegates 'glued' to him, he announces that he's not running after all. The 'baton' gets passed to Gavin Newsom, Biden acquiesces right on cue, and suddenly the California Crudball is "their guy"....

The only remaining question will be who they will get to replace Kamala-la-la, who will have to exit "stage-right", or, simply be LAUGHED off into political oblivion.... No way are Democrats ever going to put her on a presidential ticket or a vice-presidential one again, either. They should have shunted her off to fill that last Supreme Court Justice seat, but Joe's handlers wanted somebody 'blacker' than Kamala, so, now they've got a problem about what to do with her....

. "Sorry, honey... 'Blacker is more beautiful'!"

 

In your mind what does that mean? U.S. immigration laws are decades old, tRaitor tRumps in humane policy of separating families from their children with not records of how to reunite them may have discouraged a few but by no means stopped them from coming. What's going on at our Southern Boarder is caused by lack of action by Congress not President Biden. I saw some video of large numbers of immigrants on our side of the boarder, they had just chopped big holes in tRaitor tRumps big tall wall. So that was a waste of money..

I can't find a neutral news source that quotes that king of rethoric. She should be demanding Congress enact laws to deal with and fund the problem. She's the Governor, can't she call out the Az guard?

Why don't Kelly and Sinema creat a caucus of Southern States to do something about their problem.

I'm sure if Congress would pass a comprehensive bill to deal with our Boarder issues, President Biden would sign it. What he won't do is steal money from the military to build a wall that won't work.

 

Yes. They are paying a lot of prices at the moment. And the common thread is anti-colonialism, the idea that all brown people are victims of white people are what drives their open borders and their pro-Hamas demonstrations.

This has shocked Jews to their core. There is probably no group in America more fiercely loyal to the Left's coalition than the Jews. They marched with Martin Luther King long before he was a household name, and now in their hour of greatest need since Hitler, a significant part of their number, side with the folks that raped and murdered them.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/defending-israel-jews-and-the-truth/

'I’m quite certain that one day our children and our grandchildren are going to ask us about this time in history. They will hear that Hamas murdered 1,200 people in a single day. They will hear that Hamas took 240 people hostage. They will hear about the atrocities that Hamas committed: murder, torture, rape — absolute brutality.'

'Our children and grandchildren will ask us, “How did the world respond? Did international organizations such as the United Nations jump to condemn the terrorists and speak out for the victims? What about human-rights groups?” And we’re going to have to tell them, “No, they did not.”'

'They will ask, “Well, did ordinary people go out into the streets of capital cities all over the world and denounce Hamas and demand that the hostages be released?” And we’re going to have to tell them that some people did — but most people, appallingly, went out to demonstrate for the terrorists.'

'Then they will ask, “What did you do?” And that’s the question on my mind every day.'

'Do you know who is the biggest provider of information about Hamas atrocities? The biggest provider of evidence? Hamas. They revel in their atrocities. They film them, circulate them, celebrate them.'

The question in my mind is how does the Left come back from this? How do you unring this bell. A University professor described his feelings as he heard the depth of rape murder and slaughter of Jews as "exhilarating".

And the same people that so violently hate the Jews, equally violently hate Trump, Christians, Americans and the GOP.

I don't think we know the results of this, today. For the Jewish People, some part of them went to sleep in a normal world on 10/6 and awoke in Nazi Germany in the midst of the Holocaust, and the nightmare just continues to unfold.

 

Because democrats are used to getting what they want without giving up anything. If you recall, this goes back to Obama when he pretty much said that republicans need to compromise while he gets it everything.

How often do democrats give up something? Right now they have their open borders and they're not willing to give that up, especially since the DNC said Latinos are the future of the democrat party. One of my guesses why they won't compromise is because they KNOW Trump won't win in 2024 because every mechanism at their disposal to cheat will be in play. In fact, they can probably cheat more openly because anyone who accuses democrats of cheating, even with proof, will get the 'Oh no, not that song and dance story again' along with possibly being arrested.

One thing I'm looking forward to is Biden debating Trump, that is if Biden's handlers let him which I doubt.

 

I'm more and more of the opinion that we'll never see another Trump-Biden debate.

 

it was the then-Obama Administration that first tried to claim federal responsibility for the nation's borders and the Courts more or less sided with his administration. So if border security is a federal responsibility, it's up to this POTUS and the tools at his disposal to defend our nation's security.

The worst fears we all have is a dirty bomb snuck into the US by enemy antagonists, using the border as an opportunity. That must be prevented at all costs.

 

I don't know what coalition the author is talking about, but both parties have the same problem, where they have to oppose everything across the board. Even Obama wanted to build a wall, and GOP rejected it and only because they felt compelled to oppose everything across the board. He offered to cut corporate taxes THREE TIMEs, and GOP turned it down every time for the same reason.

Biden could build a wall, but doesn't want to because he opposes GOP. I dont think a wall would make any difference, but if I was him, I'd do it to take the issue off the table.

 

President Obama, instituted a humane approach to immigration, that resulted in DACA, but also more deportations.

TRaitor tRump abandoned all of that and took a most inhumane approach to immigration.

President Biden's Budget Strengthens Border Security, Enhances Legal Pathways, and Provides Resources to Enforce Our Immigration Laws, while restoring humanity to how we treat immigrants. TRumpublicans want him to fail and will not pass his proposed legislation.

That's reactionary and uninformed. Very little smuggling happens cross boarder, circumventing security at ports of entry, mostly by sea, is the most exploited way of smuggling into the U.S. Trying to smuggle a "bomb" across our Southern Boarder would be folly.

 

Obama wanted to build a wall?

Wait a minute! Are you talking about that amnesty bill?

 

It won't be Newsom and Kamala as the Constitution states: 'Presidential electors cannot cast both their ballots for persons from the same state as themselves.'

So let's back up a bit. Electors elect our President and Vice President, whoever reaches 270 or more, wins. CA has 54 electors, or 20 of the number needed to win. Dems will win CA, they always do, but CA electors would be barred from casting 54 votes for Newsom for Pres and 54 votes for Kamala-lala for VP. In a close race, and lately, aren't they all close, this could result in the Dems winning the Presidency and the VP being selected by the Senate, and this would the newly selected Senate. Which could be 50/50 with Kamala-lala casting the tie breaker that selects her as VP.

There is a lot that could go wrong with that sequence of events, and Kamala-lala doesn't bring any strengths, so, I doubt that if Greasy Gavin is the presidential nominee that Kamala-lala will be the VP on the ticket.

 

Yes, he wanted to build a wall and the bill passed Senate with plenty of Republican support, but was killed by GOP House Speaker Boehner (Boner).

That was 12 years ago, and argument is that a wall would stop all crossings, so with the GOP choosing to keep th eborder open, we have 12 years worth of crossings, - millions.

And not only a wall, but also
- mandatory employment verification system to be used by all employers,
- 40 000 more CBP agents,
- electronic surveillance,
- merit based immigration for legal immigrants
- prevent H1B abuse
- do whatever it takes to reduce illegal crossings by 90%

And yes, it included amnesty for illegals who were brought in as children and other eligible illegals who would have to apply and pay penalty fee, assessed back taxes, and must pay application fees to cover the cost of the process.

A bill won't get more bipartisan that that, because it included everything GOP wanted, but they would not give an inch for what Dems wanted, which was exactly my point earlier about. They will pass bills only when they contain 100% of what they want and 0% of what Dems want. What are the chances Dems would pass a bill which has nothing they want?

The situation would be a heck of a lot better today if that bill had passed 12 yrs ago and crossings had decreased 90%, but I think GOP prefer to keep the problem, because its a good campaigning tool, much like abortion used to be.

 

Teixeira's article contained a link to this article.........

Biden said he supports Democrats making more concessions on border security to pass the additional funding for Ukraine, but that Republican proposals have been extreme and allowed for no compromises.

“I support real solutions at the border,” Biden said. “We all know it’s broken, and I’m willing to do significantly more.”

But, he added: “This has to be a negotiation. Republicans think they can get everything they want without any bipartisan compromise. That’s not the answer. That’s not the answer. Now, they’re willing to literally kneecap Ukraine on the battlefield and damage our national security in the process.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/12/06/ukraine-israel-aid-biden-senate/

.......making Ruy's characterization appear to be inaccurate.

My perspective is a bit different. Aside from whether Dems should compromise on differences of opinion (I generally think they should) I find it odd that Ruy puts the responsibility of preventing Generalissimo Trump's re-election solely of Dems trying to broaden their voting coalition but not on Repub's failure to reject Trump's candidacy. Forgive the redundancy, but Dear Leader is not making a secret of his intentions. He's been quite clear about what he intends to do. In a nutshell, suspend the Constitution, use troops to suppress protests, and install loyalists (that's not new, but even worse than before) in key positions of government. These things are all antithetical to democratic governance, yet Repubs cheer him on.

 

https://www.americanimmigrationcoun...44-understanding-2013-senate-immigration-bill

I have made a reference to that bill dozens of times. Thanks for bringing it up again.

 

Further the trained seals always believe what the guy handing out the fish tells them

 

so long story short, walls work?
Good to know
I agree

 

So walls work now?
Good to know.
I love how most of the left now agrees in the laws of physics and that physical barriers are a fairly good deterrent

 

OK, sorry no amnesty bill.

 

How is his characterization inaccurate? Has Biden offered any specific compromises? Or has he just supported compromises in general?

As far your oddball take that the Republicans should stop Trump, The GOP isn't going around saying if he's elected it's the end of Democracy. In GOP circles, that's a laugh line to mock Democrats, not a serious position.

With you guys, you seem to take it seriously.

 

They don't. They only believe in amnesty, and were willing to entertain the notion of the wall in order to get amnesty.

 

And no wall, no additional 40K border agents, no employment verification, no 90% reduction in illegal crossings and no merit based immigration.

It WOULD have solved the problem, so it would have been a good compromise

The 2012 bill pretty much defined the word "compromise" and it was very specific.

I don't know, or care, what "the left" believes. I dont think walls work, but they offered to build a wall in 2012, but the offer was turned down.

 

More deportations you say? The LA Times, not Fox or the NY Post, but the LA Times disagrees with you.

High deportation figures are misleading

WASHINGTON — Immigration activists have sharply criticized President Obama for a rising volume of deportations, labeling him the “deporter in chief” and staging large protests that have harmed his standing with some Latinos, a key group of voters for Democrats.

But the portrait of a steadily increasing number of deportations rests on statistics that conceal almost as much as they disclose. A closer examination shows that immigrants living illegally in most of the continental U.S. are less likely to be deported today than before Obama came to office, according to immigration data.

Expulsions of people who are settled and working in the United States have fallen steadily since his first year in office, and are down more than 40% since 2009.

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-20140402-story.html

 

When Obama wanted to build a wall was he called a racist and did libs say it would be a waste of money and useless?

 

Yet DEMS keep winning

1. GOP lost special election in 2017.
2. GOP lost Mid-term election in 2018.
3. GOP Lost Governor race in Kentucky NOV 2019
4. GOP Lost Presidential election in 2020.
5. GOP lost special election in 2021 and lost 2 Senate positions in GA.
6. GOP Lost anti-abortion law in KS AUG 2022.
7. GOP lost Senate and two GOV in mid-term 2022 election. Red wave became oh well.
8. GOP lost special election in 2023 – In Wisconsin , Liberal judge won state wide election e.
9. GOP Lost special election ( Issue 1) in Ohio in 2023
10. GOP Lost Governor race in Kentucky NOV 2023
11. GOP lost banning abortion in Ohio in NOV 2023
12. GOP lost entire Virginia legislative branch in NOV 2023.