The Democratic Coalition Is Falling Apart

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  1. dairyair

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    Great.

    If both the D and R coalitions fall apart, I think the USA and the PEOPLE win.

    Lets hope for failure.

    It's not only democrats that think the 2x impeached incumbent loser is a failure.
    His impeachments and the voters also view trump as a failure. That's why incumbent lose.
    D's I's, and some R's all view the 2X impeached as a lying child that tries to bully his way around the playground.

    What specifically is wrong with border security?

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    U.S. Customs and Border Protection reported 2.3 million migrant apprehensions at the southern border in the last 12 months — surpassing the record high set last year.

    The annual total — which includes people who were stopped at the border more than once — jumped by 37% from 1.7 million the year before.

    National
    The ACLU and others urge border authorities to limit detention of pregnant migrants

    That isn't to suggest 2022 saw the largest number of people trying to enter the U.S. illegally. For instance, the Department of Homeland Security estimates that there were nearly 4 million unauthorized border crossings in 2000 but only 1.6 million were counted. Over the years, immigration authorities have been able to track more migrants as a result of improved security technology.
    https://www.nphttps://www.npr.org/2022/10/24/1130841306/new-record-in-border-patrol-apprehensions
     
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    Yet he continues to poll way above all the other contenders on the Republican debate stage, even as they are given plenty of media attention.

    The Dems pretend nobody is running against Biden from the Democrat side, so his numbers are more in question. And he polls consistently below Trump.

    So... Evidently even as people say they don't like Trump... They seem to prefer him to Biden and to anyone else running against him. It's a sad situation.
     
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    Yes. You are. You are arguing an alternative to events that have already occurred; something that is contrary to what actually happened. Crooked Drunken Hillary wasn't elected Trump was.
    We're a self-governed people. We have immigration law that was passed and signed by our representatives. We have the most open doors of any nation in the world.

    https://www.cfr.org › backgrounder › us-immigration-debate-0
    The U.S. Immigration Debate | Council on Foreign Relations
    'The United States is home to more foreign-born residents than any other country in the world.'

    If you want to enter our nation, do us the RESPECT of entering legally, or stay the hell out. Maybe the issue is that you and other Open Borders Ilk don't respect us either.
    You are just repeating talking points. Wages are lagging inflation. In the last 10 quarters of Trump with the influx of illegal workers controlled, real wages GREW by 5.1% Since Bribed Joe threw open the border, real wages have FALLEN by 2.1%

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    Inflation is up 17.1% under Bribed Joe during is almost first 3 years.

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    Over Trump's almost last 3 years, inflation was only up 4.1%

    At Bribed Joe's rate, prices double every 12 years.
    As Trump's rate prices double every 51 years.

    Bribed Joe's rate represents price instability. Trump's rate represents price stability.
    You wouldn't know Free Markets if they were hanging from your nose, and I'm certainly not your 'buddy'.
    You've gone from arguing a counter-factual, to claiming to refute claims no one made. Trump controlled the border under EXISTING law, the same law that under Bribed Joe has given us the Open Border Disaster. The Law isn't the problem, Trump wasn't the problem, Trump and the Law were the solution, the problem is Bribed Joe.
    Nobody lets in more people legally than we do. I've sponsored folks coming in legally, I've signed the agreements stating that I PERSONALLY would cover their expenses for up to 10 years if they began to draw of the Safety Net, so that if my poor choices result in need, I COVER it, not everybody else. We have a good system. Trump simply followed it, it worked great, wages rose, living standards rose, goods and services were plentiful, prices were stable, but suddenly it's everyone else's fault when Bribed Joe comes in, overturns everything Trump was doing we go from peace and prosperity to lurching from one disaster to the next? Give me a break.
    Fake news. You don't read so well, and I already gave you a link to the average referred to.

    'I see that Trump is up 9.9 vs last cycle against Bribed Joe. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general-election-trump-vs-biden-7383.html'
    Undecideds tend to break 80-20 for the challenger.

    There are 8% undecided and if they break 80/20 for Trump, the final result if the election were held today would be 53-47 with Bribed Joe losing a LOT.
    Trump tends to overperform his polls.
    Crooked Hillary led by 1.5 on Sept 15 and she led by 5.5 on Oct 15th.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/e...s/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
     
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  4. Lil Mike

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    Well aren't there negotiations over immigration going on right now?
     
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    I would think someone who's worked as a teacher would be better able to express themselves in writing.
     
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    Yes, and Hilary was to win in a landslide 1 week before 2016 election.
    I don't really care who the dems run.
    I won't like any of them anyway.

    When I say people don't like trump, I refer to those not hoodwinked into the cult.
     
  7. Lil Mike

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    For Democrats, democracy was always a label, not a process, so I doubt they really see any irony there. And how is Biden supposed to debate anyone, let alone Trump? Democrats will have to shut up, sit down, and follow orders. Luckily they want to do that.



    "Unless we each conform, unless we obey orders, unless we follow our leaders blindly, there is no possible way we can remain free."

    MAJ Frank Burns; MASH 4077th
     
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    If you can call Repubs holding to unacceptable, intransigent positions negotiations.
     
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    That could be. Comparing 2020 to today. In 2020 Biden won 18-29-year old’s 60-35 over Trump. Today Biden leads among this group 48-24 with the rest in the voting other or undecided column. In 2020 Biden won the black vote 87-12 over Trump. Today, Biden is leading among blacks 66-14, again with the rest in voting other or undecided. Biden won Hispanics 65-32 in 2020, today Biden leads among Hispanics 40-38. In 2020 Biden won independents 54-41, today Biden is trailing Trump among independents 35-40 with the rest voting other or undecided and so on.


    https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/exit-polls/president/national-results


    https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_y2MuS3t.pdf
     
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    I was never a teacher, I'm married to a retired special needs teacher. Finding the word to describe your post isn't the problem. The problem is the word is prohibited by board rules. Entender, friendo?
     
  12. Lil Mike

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    Then that's unfortunate for you.

    As for me, I've no idea why you would be angry enough at me that you can only swear to express yourself. Luckily, I don't care that much.
     
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    The Dem coalition is falling apart, and so is Bribed Joe

    'Trump leads by double digits on the economy, inflation, crime, the Ukraine and Gaza wars, and the border. He leads by 34 points on having the physical stamina to do the job, and 16 points on being mentally up for the job. And people think Trump policies helped them by 49-37 percent, and Biden hurt them by 25-53.'

    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/12/14/trump-biden-primary-electability-00131616

    Trump looks electable and Bribed Joe doesn't. Have you noticed what has been happening to the Stock Market since Trump became favored to win? Starting look really interesting.
     
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    And then Comey deliberately used the power of government to throw the election to Trump. Don't leave that part out, how the deep state put Trump in office.
     
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    I'll take a stab ...because the folks who think Trump is the biggest threat to democracy only think that because thats what the media says. Thats what the media says because Trump is really only a threat to the entrenched bureaucrats of the international political elites that own the media. And Trump is a threat to the entrenched bureaucrats of the international political elite because he wants to undue a lot of the globalist progressive BS that keeps us more firmly within their bureaucratic jurisdiction. 'Giving in' on things to prevent Trump from getting elected would be just as bad as Trump getting elected.

    But fear not! I hear a war a brewin'. And its sure to come with 'emergency powers' that will either obfuscate another stolen election or outright cancel it. The globalist progressive agenda may yet survive, just with a substantial blood sacrifice on European soil.
     
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    You are just repeating talking points. Wages are lagging inflation. In the last 10 quarters of Trump with the influx of illegal workers controlled, real wages GREW by 5.1% Since Bribed Joe threw open the border, real wages have FALLEN by 2.1%

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    Inflation is up 17.1% under Bribed Joe during is almost first 3 years.

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    Over Trump's almost last 3 years, inflation was only up 4.1%

    At Bribed Joe's rate, prices double every 12 years.
    As Trump's rate prices double every 51 years.

    Bribed Joe's rate represents price instability. Trump's rate represents price stability.

    You wouldn't know Free Markets if they were hanging from your nose, and I'm certainly not your 'buddy'.

    You've gone from arguing a counter-factual, to claiming to refute claims no one made. Trump controlled the border under EXISTING law, the same law that under Bribed Joe has given us the Open Border Disaster. The Law isn't the problem, Trump wasn't the problem, Trump and the Law were the solution, the problem is Bribed Joe.

    Nobody lets in more people legally than we do. I've sponsored folks coming in legally, I've signed the agreements stating that I PERSONALLY would cover their expenses for up to 10 years if they began to draw of the Safety Net, so that if my poor choices result in need, I COVER it, not everybody else. We have a good system. Trump simply followed it, it worked great, wages rose, living standards rose, goods and services were plentiful, prices were stable, but suddenly it's everyone else's fault when Bribed Joe comes in, overturns everything Trump was doing we go from peace and prosperity to lurching from one disaster to the next? Give me a break.

    Fake news. You don't read so well, and I already gave you a link to the average referred to.

    'I see that Trump is up 9.9 vs last cycle against Bribed Joe. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general-election-trump-vs-biden-7383.html'

    Undecideds tend to break 80-20 for the challenger.

    There are 8% undecided and if they break 80/20 for Trump, the final result if the election were held today would be 53-47 with Bribed Joe losing a LOT.

    Trump tends to overperform his polls.

    Crooked Hillary led by 1.5 on Sept 15 and she led by 5.5 on Oct 15th.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/e...s/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html[/QUOTE]
    Current inflation is 3% per annum. It has risen some 600% since the 1960s or so. But your charts is the factor indicator, but percentages are the increases from one year to the next. That is defined as the inflation rate. Nothing you posted proves the economy is doing bad. All economic indicators show the economy is doing strong and is resilient, which is contributing why so many people want to come here, especially the low skilled workers.

    also notice how wages in the Trump years went up, primarily with the JCTA that was signed by Trump, but over the years, it went down, based on your own chart. That is business, not government, but it shows that the JCTA did not do what you thought it would do with wages over time. Understand what you are looking at.
     
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    I'm sorry but I'm not following your off topic gibber.
     
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    Of course you don't. It's why the OP is pointless. You don't even understand your own gibber. Whatever the F that is.

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    The coalition is not falling apart it just over performed again in the special election in Oklahoma. A 2-1 advantaged conservative district. If it’s a choice between under performing in polls or elections. I’d certainly prefer the polls.
     
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    The bottom line is Bribed Joe's economy sucks, though we are seeing a "Trump Top" in the markets now that Trump is favored to win.

    You were haplessly trying to argue that real wages went up under Bribed Joe's Open Borders Inflationary Disaster, and then seem to lose your way in your own argument.

    Reality differs sharply from your DNC narrative.

    In the last 10 quarters of Trump with the influx of illegal workers controlled, real wages GREW by 5.1% Since Bribed Joe threw open the border, real wages have FALLEN by 2.1%

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    Prices are up a LOT under Bribed Joe. Let's take just food, for example.

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    Under the first nearly 3 years of Bribed Joe, food has gone up 20.2%.
    In the previous nearly 3 years during the Golden Age of Trumpian Peace, Plenty and Prosperity, food prices only rose 7%.

    You claiming 7=20.2 and it's just gaslighting. Folks aren't fooled. And now we have a bunch of the Bidenomics is Awesome narrative humpers complaining that their credibility is trashed. And they also seem to be more and more aligned with claiming any disagreement with the DNC propaganda narrative is 'mis' or 'mal' or 'dis' information that should be suppressed in public discussion. You all aren't coming off well, I can assure you of that. Look at these polls, you guys are getting swept in the key states.

    Bloomberg/Morning Consult
    But don't reflect, don't question yourself, just bulldoze on as if reality doesn't matter. It's no skin off our noses.
     
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    The Democrat Coalition of Decolonizers Continues to fall apart.

    'Please consider the Illinois NAACP for your Christmas donation this year. "Illinois NAACP leader is asked to step down after video shows her likening migrants to ‘savages’ and accusing them of rape"'

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    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news...0231213-2hiw3ujz5nasvlm7wxvwgsj3g4-story.html

    'In a videotaped criticism of migrant policy, the president of the Illinois NAACP compared migrants to “savages” and accused them of rape'

    Now Trump also has some sharp comments about all the fact that 85% of the Central American women who illegally cross our Southern Border are raped during the trip, and he effectively shut the Rape Routes down, but I don't think that is what this NAACP head was talking about.

    “But Black people have been on the streets forever and ever, and nobody cares, because they say that we’re drug addicts, we’ve got mental health issues,” she said. “But these immigrants who come over here, they’ve been raping people, they’ve been breaking into homes, they’re like savages as well. They don’t speak the language and they look at us like we’re crazy.”

    SHE ALSO USED THE N WORD

    Haley’s use of the N-word in the video.

    “So brother, I feel your pain,” Haley said. “I’m trying not to be a (N-word), but you know I’m pro-Black.”

    Has Bribed Joe destroyed the Democrat Coalition? Or has the Educrats anti-Semitism? Or is it some of both?
     
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    Americans see Democrats saying that Trump will take democracy away.

    Americans see Democrats actually taking democracy away.
     
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    Bribed Joe Frustrated With His Poll Numbers (As Approval Hits a New Low)

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    The Democrat coalition is crumbling because it's led by Bribed Joe, and he's falling apart.

    'The latest Monmouth University poll has him hitting a dismal new low approval rating of 34%. Just 34% approve of Biden’s job performance, down from 54% at the start of his presidency nearly three years ago, according to the latest Monmouth University poll released Monday. More than two-thirds of Americans disapprove of Biden’s handling of inflation and immigration. Democrats, who tend to approve of the president’s policies, are divided on border security…'

    The rest of us aren't divided on Border Security.

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    Bribed Joe wants to know how his staff is going to fix his poll numbers:

    Washington Post reports that Bribed Joe Biden gave his team a talking to last month.

    'After pardoning a pair of turkeys, an annual White House tradition, Biden delivered some stern words for the small group assembled: His poll numbers were unacceptably low and he wanted to know what his team and his campaign were doing about it. He complained that his economic message had done little to move the ball.'

    That's because Bribed Joe's claims about the glories Bidenomics is complete nonsense.

    'For months, the president and first lady Jill Biden have told aides and friends they are frustrated by the president’s low approval rating and the polls that show him trailing former president Donald Trump, the front-runner for the Republican nomination — and in recent weeks, they have grown upset that they are not making more progress.'

    Bribed Joe's disapproval spread has gone from -10 to -15 since the Federal Indictments against Trump dropped in June.

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    Folks don't like inflation, and they don't like the Bribery, and they don't like Bribed Joe trying to rig another election, this time not by having the corrupt FBI and CIA lie about Hunter's Laptop, but this by jailing Trump who is favored for re-election.

    'Three times now in a little over a month, Biden has dismissed polls that show him trailing Trump or other potential GOP rivals and insisted that reporters aren’t getting the full picture.'

    'On Sunday as he was leaving his campaign headquarters in Wilmington, Del., Biden responded to a shouted question from a reporter about why he’s losing to Trump in the polls.;

    “You’re reading the wrong polls,” Biden said.

    I guess these are all the 'wrong' polls.

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