The Democratic Coalition Is Falling Apart

False. That bill wasn't a compromise. The compromise was the 1986 bill in which Reagan traded amnesty for border security. We got the amnesty, but not the border security. So it's unlikely the average Republican voter will want to fall for that Lucy-with-the-football ever again.

 

I don't disagree.

 

Translation; you have no idea what was in the bill or the process by which it passed a Senate vote in bipartisan fashion.

The “Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act,” or S. 744, is a broad-based proposal for reforming the U.S. immigration system written by a bipartisan group of eight Senators known as the “Gang of Eight.” Senators Charles Schumer (D-NY), John McCain (R-AZ), Richard Durbin (D-IL), Lindsey Graham (R-SC), Robert Menendez (D-NJ), Marco Rubio (R-FL), Michael Bennet (D-CO), and Jeff Flake (R-AZ) drafted S. 744 in the spring of 2013. The bill addresses all aspects of the immigration process from border and enforcement issues to legal immigration reforms. It makes changes to the family and employment-based visa categories for immigrants, provides critical due-process protections, increases the availability of nonimmigrant workers to supplement all sectors of the workforce, and provides legal status to 11 million undocumented immigrants within the United States. The Senators intended this legislation to address these issues “…by finally committing the resources needed to secure the border, modernize and streamline our current legal immigration system, while creating a tough but fair legalization program for individuals who are currently here.”
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The Senate on Thursday passed the most monumental overhaul of U.S. immigration laws in a generation, which would clear the way for millions of undocumented residents to have a chance at citizenship, attract workers from all over the world and devote unprecedented resources for security along the U.S.-Mexico border.

The vote was 68-32. Fourteen Republicans crossed the aisle to vote with all Democrats in favor. Thursday’s vote now puts the onus of immigration reform on the Republican-led House, where leaders have been resistant to the Senate legislation.

“The strong bipartisan vote we took is going to send a message across the country, it’s going to send a message to the other end of the Capitol as well,” said Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), the leader of the so-called Gang of Eight. “The bill has generated a level of support that we believe will be impossible for the House to ignore.
https://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/immigration-bill-2013-senate-passes-093530

 

I think I've told you before if you edit my replies I'm not going to bother with yours. Most of the time, the answer to whatever you are yapping about is in the part that you edited out.

 

It gave GOP literally everything they wanted, so if that's not a compromise, then what is?

Why didn't;t republican presidents after him implement the things they wanted? Enough with the blame-shifting.

 

You aren't going to bother with mine because I proved you wrong.

 

Another guy who has to edit my replies because I already gave the answer to your question.

 

You've yet to accomplish that. You can only make it look that way be editing my replies.

Which is why you edit my replies.

 

I think most Americans who work in the private sector are worried about their personal economics first, and how Biden may lose his grip on world events.
In addition there is the primary cost of living like food, and there is the secondary cost of living like heating, cooling, car repairs, insurance, school, etc. all of it rising as we read about two wars (Ukraine, Gaza, Iran) one warning up (Venezuela), one wobbler (China).
There is nothing good going on, and it began going to hell when Biden took office and gutted our oil supply.

 

Nothing was edited. I already responded to it, and asked you a question which you avoided like you usually do.

If that bill was not a compromise (it included the while GOP wish list), then what would qualify as a compromise

 

I hate to pee in your Cherios, but ISIS still exists. In fact, there was a bombing at a church on the Island of Mindenao in the Philippines not too long ago, claimed by ISIS. However, 50% of their territory was already lost when Obama left office. the remaining 50% of the territory in Iraq was eliminated, for the most part in the first year of the Trump Administration. Even if HRC was President, it still would have happened.

Second, Governors, including Governor Abbott want federal aid to do what they want. But even in the Trump Administration, we still had a problem at the southern border. It was no longer a political issue for Trump by 2019. COVID-19 in 2020 and Trump's denialism remarks on everything happening around the world were also. But that is a different thread for a different day.

When it comes to the Southern Border crisis right now: three primary factors are taking place: Climate change, political and economic uncertainty after COVID-19, and our robust economy demanding more and more "cheap labor" to keep the economy going. This is why we need legal immigration reform to allow more and more cheap labor to come through without the political BS that hard right-wingers love to use in their fear tactics. The Blue Card would be of great assistance and not be a pathway to the Green Card from that perspective. There would be no work quotas and we would allow labor supply and demand each year to dictate the number of issuances of said blue cards. The blue card would have a three-year renewal rate and would be issued as a nonimmigrant visa allowing the person to seek and find work without an employer sponsor, just a job skill that we need in demand such as farm laborers for instance while requiring the employer to have SS and Medicare taxes, and possibly federal, and/or state income taxes taken out. Blue card holders or those who are on nonimmigrant work visas are generally not eligible for any SS Benefits. One must be a Green Card Holder to receive such benefits as an immigrant. So this law will not change. Other legal issues in immigration would include a clearer, and more modern definition of those seeking asylum or refugee status within the US, and some other issues. Congress must also authorize more employees for the DHS to handle the flux of immigration paperwork with more temporary employment for up to one year. And some other legal remedies such as getting rid of quotas for all visas, immigrant and nonimmigrant for work, family, and humanitarian. Just have clear qualifications that are not too restrictive and not political at all. That would solve a great many of the issues at the border, even those who apply at the POE at the Southern Border. By improving the legal immigration system and possibly allowing more legal immigrants to come through the border, even temporarily, this would help improve the border situation and we can "separate the wheat from the chaff" figuratively speaking.

We can then focus on illegal immigration ranging from what to do with DACA recipients to those who cross EWI.

 

Are you seriously going to lie about editing my reply?

 

You're trying to argue a counterfactual.

What a load of crap. The problem with our border is that Bribed Joe threw it open after Trump had it in better shape than it had been in, in years.

Our 'robust economy' has inflation higher than wage gains. I forgot that you love China with their slave labor, so of course you also love illegal labor undercutting US labor.

Bribed Joe swore an oath, but he has a laundry list of demands before he will enforce immigration law? Does he has a similar list of demands before he will stop taking bribes. Another set of demands before he will start paying taxes on his bribes? How about screw Bribed Joe and we go back to the secure borders and rising real wages of Trump? Even RFK would do a better job that Bribed Joe.

I see that Trump is up 9.9 vs last cycle against Bribed Joe. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general-election-trump-vs-biden-7383.html

How much is plummeting Bribed Joe is due to falling real wages Bribed Joe's Open Borders disaster?

https://cis.org › Arthur › Immigration-Overtakes-Inflation-Bidens-Worst-Issue-Among-Voters-Latest-Poll
Immigration Overtakes Inflation As Biden's Worst Issue Among Voters in ...
Bribed Joe 'does both better and worse among registered voters, with 40 percent of those ready to head to the polls approving of the job he is doing and 58 percent disapproving (again, 46 percent "strongly" disapproving). Biden's Handling of Inflation.'

 

Lie? No.

Why are you lying about it?

Here is your post in question

See my post #55 which was a response to your quote in question. Every word is there.



This is how you always deflect from answering simple questions. Nothing new under the sun.

 

You know what, you're right. I apologize. And as a result, you actually did have my answer already.

 

No, I don't have an answer, and I am actually no longer interested. Have a nice day.

 

war·mon·ger·ing
/ˈwôrˌmäNGɡ(ə)riNG,ˈwôrˌməNGɡ(ə)riNG/
noun

1. encouragement or advocacy of aggression toward other countries or groups.

Trump Threatens to 'Totally Destroy' North Korea in First U.N. Speech
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-un-north-korean-leader-suicide-mission-n802596

That didn't hurt Trump in the polls among the blindly faithful. But then nothing does.

 

Hmmmmmmmm. Immigration is a decades old, intractable problem for which there are ways to make it less problematic. Unfortunately, Repubs have the political advantage of pinning blame on Dems while refusing to seriously participate in policy reform. Preferring to use the issue as a cudgel. Another way to say that would be putting party over country. That's how they roll.

 

At times like these I wish board rules did not prevent the use of certain words precisely describing your comment. But, alas, I'll have to settle for abjectly false.

 

No I am not. You are falling for the political talking points of 2015 when the facts at that time stated otherwise.

[/QUOTE]What a load of crap. The problem with our border is that Bribed Joe threw it open after Trump had it in better shape than it had been in, in years.[/QUOTE]
No. That is the reality of the Southern Border. Climate Change is real. It is affecting the farm lands and ranchlands where most of these people are coming from. Venezuela and Honduras are having great political uncertainity because of Covid 19 and other issues. And we have a robust economy demanding more and more cheap labor since your sons and daughters don't want to work for "cheap labor."

Our inflation is currently at 3% or so. Want to be in the UK, controlled by a conservative government with about 8% inflation? How about Hungary where Eregon, or sorry, Trump thought Eregon was the President of Hungary, in which they have inflation of 14.6%? Hungary has a government most suited for the likes of you Zorro, politically speaking. As for wages, we have had a stagnant wage for over 5 decades now. This is not political, this is economical which private employers really, really, do not like paying people what they are worth. They pay the minimum in order to maximize profits. Welcome to capitalism buddy.

Remember, DJT, your Dear Leader, has stated he never swore an oath to support the US Constitution. However, the law is made by Congress, not by POTUS. I gave you my take on it. And yes, we do have serious issues within the legal immigration system that is essentially draconian, expensive, and time consuming with a two year wait just to have your spouse be getting the visa to get here in the first place. in some countries with family reunification, it can take up to 20 years or more, depending on the category on family reunification.

Polls don't elect president, and that is just one poll, not the average. The average is here.

Again, there are a lot of undecided voters right now, approximately 10% on average. So, any poll right now is just a point in time on the mood of the country, not the actual election results. Remember, in 2015, HRC, remember her, was leading in all the polls. It was not getting better. That began to change once both parties had their nominees and their platforms establsihed. DJT closed that gap rather quickly by October 2016 when the race was very tight and it was anyone's guess who would win.

CIS is an immigrant restrictionist website that not only wants to reduce legal immigratin, but illegal immigration of any kind down to zero. It basically wants the 1924 Immigration Act reinstated, which focused more on Western Europe than anywhere elese.

However, the biggest issues concerning most voters are the following:
1. Economy/Inflation.
2. Immigration
3. Healthcare, which includes abortion.
4. Budget deficits and Debt
5. Entitlements such as SS and Medicare

Yes, immigration is an important issue among voters, but immigration includes legal and illegal immigration. The GOP does not have a plan for legal immigration and thinks illegal immigration is just the southern border lol. It is not. If you look at the DHS data, the largest illegal immigrant group is not EWI, aka sneaking across the border, it is visa overstays. That means they cam here, went through the POE at the airport, the seaport, or land port such as a POE in Loredo, had a visa to come in, but overstayed. But somehow we lump all illegal immigrants together as if all of them are sneaking across the border, somehow. Geez. This is why from my experience that to help solve illegal immigration and to help ease the southern border, the Blue Card, something originally proposed by GWB, remember him, in 2007, should be implemented along with getting rid of quotas. Since that is what a lot of them are seeking, the blue card makes the most logical sense. They come here, they work above the table instead of under it, and that's that.

 

Who does the open border system benefit?
What is your plan to deal with the 18-22 million illegals in the country already?

 

Only a very vocal minority I think.

My bigger concern would be that the Dem party is behaving as it did leading up to 2016 again. No primary despite multiple challengers running, and despite Marriane Williamson polling at higher numbers than DeSantis and that other lady. Biden refusing to debate anyone, despite him polling below Trump.

He may be uniquely positioned to lose to Trump, and the Dem party still won't allow anyone from his party to be considered to run in his place. It has strong vibes of when they annointed Hillary, who was also especially vulnerable to Trump. They misname the party "Democratic" and then refuse to be democratic in their selection of nominee, who then loses to Trump, who won an actually democratic nomination process.

 

America doesn’t have an open border “system”. But, who benefits from immigration? American business.

 

Employers mostly with the cheap labor, families, and some other groups. It really does not benefit the DNC since none of them can vote anyway, can they?

I gave you my plan. It starts with the Blue Card, eliminating quotas from all visa categories, improving the definition on what asylum and refugee means, and other issues within the legal system that is contributing to the problems at the border. then we can deal with the illegal immigration. For starters, those who are DACA recipients should get legalized in a separate bill, but not available to US citizens. That is the price. They can be green card holders, which gives them equal footing on every right as a US citizen but they cannot vote. It is a humanitarian administrative action with DACA but the law will give them legal status, nearly all of whom are good and moral character such as having no criminal history, paying taxes, etc. It can allow them to have families reunited as well, much like US citizens, but they cannot vote. We keep the current laws for EWI and that is far less than visa overstayers. With visa overstayers and visa violators, this is always a flux since there are ways for them to get of the illegal status and back into legal status based on facts and circumstances.

In addition, we need coordination with our southern neighbors to help or assist with their issues. This is a collaborative effort that affects all of us. Liberalizing their economy and making their police force more professional is a must while we offer the goods on those who are gangsters, cartel members, etc to their police and military forces and let them deal with those guys with very little assistance. In other words, it takes a village to rout out the "bad guys" here, and we need to do it in such a way that we don't look like Gringos to them. That has been the problem in the past, especially with Mexico, but not with Columbia.