All this is irrevelant to the topic at hand. We can discuss whether God is cruel in another thread. Though I would say this much, if heaven and he'll exist and there is a creator which preserved his word in the Bible and if you don't turn to him and accept Jesus as your savior then your opinion on whether or not he's cruel is minute.
You’ve been provided with lots of evidence and direct sources of evidence you could view first hand. Some you’ve dismissed evidence out of hand, claiming (ironically without evidence) that it’s deliberately faked and some you’ve completely ignored (presumably because you have no response to it). Well notwithstanding that the existence of a flat Earth wouldn’t definitively prove a creator anyway (let alone whichever one you specifically believe in), all this demonstrates is the blatant faith bias you’ve so far kept well hidden. If you really want an honest and balanced consideration of the facts, you have to acknowledge and actively challenge your bias. I’d suggest you’ve been willingly submitting to it so far. This thread hasn’t even started to assess the rationale for the massive deception that would be necessary to keep a true flat Earth totally secret. Just thinking hypothetically, how do you conceive of this grand conspiracy being unfailingly managed and maintained over the thousands of years, from the first people mathematically establishing the shape of the planet through to the modern day, as so many independent organisations and individuals gain access to technology that would easily establish the truth (or at least demonstrate clear inconsistencies with the assumed reality)?
This is insanity, the Earth is in fact round - this has been known for 6,000+ years.... I'm shocked anyone can question this give all the evidence that PROVES the Earth is round... I have my own question tho. If the Earth is flat how did it manage to become flat when every other planet in our solar system - including our star the sun is round, that and how did we manage to come up with precise orbits of the planets in our solar system with 1 planet being flat and the others round? Also if it matters the Earth isn't always a perfect sphere, given gravitational pulling from the moon but for all purposes it is indeed round.
Pythagoras really discovered the Earth was round.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_geodesy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoras Pythagoras measured 25,00 mi as oppose to 24,901 (because he only measured 1/8 of the Earth) mi which is remarkable given the tools and math he used 2,600 years ago... The Earth as a sphere was common knowledge, by the birth of Jesus, at that period they were well versed in astronomy (and astronomy).... And of course boats couldn't navigate without star charts if the Earth was "flat", because the Earth is round. I love good conspiracies, but this one is a joke.
T Christopher Columbus was alive in 1492, it was not until then that the earth was figured as being round. So 6,000+ years ago is absolutely incorrect. Yes I realize this, if the earth is flat, it most definitely requires a creator. Yes, this has been assumed for a while now. However Neil deGrasse Tyson has just come out and said that the earth is a pear shape. So out of all the images of earth we have been given, through computer graphic image (CGI), they all show a PERFECT sphere, not an oval shape, not an imperfect sphere, and most definitely not a pear shape. So why do these ideas, all conflict with each other?
Yes I have been provided circumstantial evidence from both sides, neither proves anything. So where is my bias? I believed the earth was round, until recent evidence of the opposition. So for that matter, I am not bias at all. The only one's that could be considered so, is people like you. I have a very good reason for the world leaders to go through with such a deception. I don't figure it would change your mind so I won't go to in depth. Jesus told us one of the signs of his coming would be a deception so great, that if it were possible even the very elect would be deceived. He also told us another sign would be, "knowledge will be gained". Now I know, Jesus knows, knowledge is gained every day, so what is it you think he is referring to? I believe this knowledge gained will be of His existence or something powerful. Now how do you have a great deception without first revealing it? We are told that all nations will soon be governed by the beast. This beast is the Vatican, symbolism for and in the Vatican is the same as the symbolism for the illuminati. They worship the same deity, satan. I would say as of now, they have power in just about all the nations, and present world events that corresponds with our behavior and ideologies. Meaning they shape our lives instead of the other way around. This is only obvious because in order to get in power, they must first control top organizations. Such as the banks, automotive industry, entertainment, food, water (environment), communications, oil, gas, power grid, internet, Nasa, insurance, healthcare, and one of the most important education. I'm sure I have missed some, but of all these the government (beast) controls. Therefore dictates what society will soon want or need.
After the ship goes over the so called horizon, simply pull out a scope and the ship reappears along with a whole new distance of a vanishing point. But how could this be if it is over the curvature of the earth, it does not matter what you zoom in on, if something is in the line of sight you won't see it. If this process could be repeated with a more powerful scope, every time the vanishing point was lost, then we have an answer. If a ship or plane was recorded going all the way around the earth, then we have an answer. However, of all the sophisticated technology, this has never been done. Why? Also, there are massive telescopes paid for by taxpayers, that peer off into the vast deep we call space. A lot of these telescopes are on high mountain ranges. Simply point the telescope down at the earth, and end this debacle. They won't do it. Why? If these telescopes can see millions of light years into space, then they should be able to see the end of earth if it is flat, or the horizon curved round earth. This argument could be over by using the taxpayers equipment. Why won't they do it?
So you think if someone took a heavy round rock to space, put water over the surface of the rock, that the water would stay on the surface of the rock. Not only that, but then you spin the rock at a speed compatible of the earth downsized to the rock, and the water would still stay on the surface of the rock. Is this what you think would happen?
What is the other side and what evidence are you referring to? As I initially said to you, you can’t present evidence for an alternative to the established theory unless you first describe the alternative hypothesis to which your evidence is trying to support. You confessed to your bias. You said you favoured the idea of a flat Earth because (you think) it supports the idea of a creator. That’s about what you want to be true rather than what actually is true which is the very definition of bias. I didn’t ask why, I asked how. The first recorded evidence indicating the shape of the Earth is from around 200BC and today there are countless people in all sorts of fields experiencing evidence (even without realising it). A singular conspiracy to hide a that Earth is actually flat would need to cover that entire period, all of those people and everything in-between. How could that even be possible, let alone remain almost totally undiscovered and unchallenged for all that time. The religious doctrine has no place in a thread where you were asking for evidence.
All existing evidence of the earth being round is logical, and compelling, however it is not unarguable evidence,nor is it absolute proof. The Bible explains how the earth and heavens was created. The problem is figuring out his choice of words and what he meant by them. If you do not believe in God, the communication between us might as well end. Not because I choose not to talk to non believers, I will, but because we already know the outcome. You think there is no evidence of God, I think the evidence is everywhere, and the strongest evidence would be love.
It's not true because its been demonstrated the Bible is true. We can go back and forth with this when its not even the topic.
So because I ask for proof of a round or flat earth, I am bias. When you require neither and merely bow to what your told. I guess I would prefer to be bias then. However, because you were taught one thing your whole life, and somebody challenges it, you ridicule and call them bias, you care of no evidence and only stick to what your told. That my brother is bias. Do you know of any pictures of satellites that are not CGI? What about earth? Did you know where the ISS is located is about 1,500 degrees celsius. How do the solar panels, let alone the entire craft survive for 16 years in this environment? Do questions like this render me bias?
The highest education a person can endure, is the word of God. After all, he created everything. I would assume the highest education a person can endure according to you, is the word of man. After all, that's where you got your certificate that says your smart.
I do side with the flat earth because it overwhelmingly would prove a creator. However I believed in God my whole life, long before the flat earth theory of recent. Therefore in no way does it effect my faith. Even though I side with it, does not mean I would not need absolute proof to accept it. Your just calling me bias, because you have nothing else on the matter. Weather it be for round or a flat earth, you have nothing but what has been instilled in you. And what has been instilled in you, cannot be proven. Maybe that is what your upset about. Absolute proof, would absolutely destroy ANY other theory.
Romans 1:20, 1:21 and 1:22- For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. 21For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.
Wrong, the ancient Greeks knew it. In fact, they calculated the circumference of the earth. Eratosthenes of Cyrene calculated it within 16% of the actual value in about 236 BC (over 2300 years ago). Please study science some more. You are almost clueless, it's sad to say. You beleive the elementary school history myth that Columbus was the first to think the world was round. https://www.khanacademy.org/partner...g-solar-system-earth/a/eratosthenes-of-cyrene
No, it doesn't. We would only see the tip of the mast. You don't understand telescopes. If a telescope on the highest mountain were pointed downward, all we would see would be a small magnified bit of earth. You could not see the curvature of the earth. No offense, but are you really that clueless of how telescopes work? Please stop embarassing yourself.
Only if the rock is big enough. This isn't something you can scale down. Also, the presence of an atmosphere is necessary, or the water will instantly boil into water vapor. It's a complex thing, and honestly, you need to study a lot more science before you say stupid things like the above.
