The End of Abortion in America is Coming Soon

Oversimplification. It's like attempting to do away with the death penalty because people are opposed to murder.

 

Many many more die in childbirth, that's what should be banned, LOL.

 

Yeah, you're right.

 

More women die from childbirth is no excuse for the deaths of women who die from abortions who otherwise would not have.

Childbirth is necessary to propagate. Abortion is not.

Say you were to outlaw the former and not the latter. The human race would go extinct.

If you outlaw the latter and not the former, the human race does not go extinct.

Try to have a logical thought for once.

 

Or doing away with abortion because people are opposed to killing unborn children.

 

Prove it. How many women's lives were saved because they got an abortion and didn't carry the baby to term.

#TiredOfSameOldLies

 

All babies have a right to life...as much as any human can.


Even if a fetus had a right to life, even if it can feel pain, it can't override a the woman's right to life and her own body.

There is no way to tell if a fetus has "self-knowledge"...

You seem so worried about a fetus feeling pain but completely disregard the pain the woman goes through..



You: "So, it is hardly settled."""


Yes, it is....abortion is legal.


You: "" Truth is, people make the decision of when an abortion is acceptable."""

Only the pregnant person should have that right.


"""If the vast majority believe that a baby with knowledge of itself should be treated as a human then we as a society will do so. """"


Have at it..... hasn't worked for a few thousand years but if ya like windmill tilting , go ahead...



HOWEVER, IF the FETUS is deemed a human the woman, using the law of self defense, has every right to kill it.....unless you think women should have that right taken away when they become pregnant????

 

It appears that in 1987-88 about 28,000 lives of women were saved. Still about 600 women die each year from pregnancy related causes, could those women have been saved had they had abortions? We will never know, but it seems likely that if the women had aborted early enough, they might still be alive. It is impossible to tell precisely how many lives are saved by abortion because we can never know if a woman who had an abortion would have committed suicide if she had been denied one. We can never know if a woman who committed suicide would have made a different choice if she had an abortion.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/10/19/abortion-mother-life-walsh/1644839/
A study published in Guttmacher's International Family Planning Perspectives in 1998 said risk to a woman's health was the main reason for 2.8% of U.S. abortions in 1987-88.


http://www.factcheck.org/2012/10/the-life-of-the-mother/

ACOG, Oct. 19: Contrary to the inaccurate statements made yesterday by Rep. Joe Walsh (R-IL), abortions are necessary in a number of circumstances to save the life of a woman or to preserve her health. Unfortunately, pregnancy is not a risk-free life event, particularly for many women with chronic medical conditions. Despite all of our medical advances, more than 600 women die each year from pregnancy and childbirth-related reasons right here in the US. In fact, many more women would die each year if they did not have access to abortion to protect their health or to save their lives.

 

HOW do you "do away with abortion" ?????

 

YOU are the one who brought up women dying from abortion as a reason to ban it. If that is a reason to ban it, then you should also be for banning childbirth, as more women die from that.

And the planet would thank us.

You wouldn't know a logical thought if it jumped up and bit you on your butt.

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Then don't have one. But leave women who disagree with you alone.

 

They just ignore and deny what they can't explain away, and continue to parrot inaccuracies. Sad.

 

Indeed.

 

Because there is no telling which woman out of the more than a million women that give birth every year in America, then abortion saved exactly no lives.

Now you can pretend that because many women got abortions, then maybe some of them would have died, but there is not way to know that for sure either. Maybe they all would have survived.

So the answer is ZERO.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=421115&p=1065356106#post1065356106

 

Normal brain waves is not what I am talking about. What I am talking about are signals to the brain that indicates pain. These signals seem to be the first brain activity in conjunction with the rest of the body as a whole. This awareness constitutes knowledge by the brain of stimulation for a nerve that is affected with pain impulses. The fact that the brain can understand this very basic of functions is reason to conclude that the baby is aware of itself. This in effect is a degree of intelligence. Also, I have seen no conclusive unbiased study that refutes this.

If society says no to abortions then they will become illegal. The woman has the ability to end any pregnancy, though, this would be deemed against the law. The only reason it is legal is because it is acceptable by society. A change in this acceptance would have to indicate that the baby's rights trump the woman's rights. And, I assert that the moment the baby feels pain the equality of rights take effect. There is no argument that can state pain by pregnancy is more significant than pain of ending a life. The only way to equate ending life as just would be to administer numbness to the baby. And, this is not honest.

 

I have already stated acceptable reasons for abortion, and a woman's life was one of them. Because of discomfort the woman does not have the right to end a baby's life.

 

This is an argument that has nothing to do with an abortion. Excuse me if I don't take it seriously.

 

Read the link. The brain has not developed enough until 26-27 weeks to transmit the sensation of pain. A baby is not aware of itself until estimated one to three years of age. If it makes you feel better, very few abortions take place later than 20 weeks, and virtually all of them are for medical reasons.

Illegality has never stopped women from having abortions. Never. It is highly unlikely that society would ever agree that a fetus's rights TRUMPED the pregnant woman's rights since all but a tiny tiny minority of pro-lifers agree that if a fetus's existence threatens the woman's life, abortion is acceptable. We are not going to base abortion rights on the degree to which either the fetus or the woman can feel pain, nor are we going to compare pain levels.

 

No, when women develop conditions of severe infections, heart failure, and severe preeclampsia their lives are threatened to the degree that abortion can save their lives. Just because no one has counted the number of lives saved, doesn't mean the answer is zero. The women whose lives were saved by abortion did not give birth any year in America. We know that not all women will survive a pregnancy because approximately 600 of them die each year in this country.

It is disheartening when pro-lifers attempt to minimize the cost of pregnancy/childbirth to women by poo-pooing the physical and emotional misery and turmoil that pregnancy causes; it is frustrating when pro-lifers attempt to minimize the financial problems resulting from an unplanned pregnancy; but it is just disgusting when they attempt to belittle the lives lost and the risk of a life lost from complications of pregnancy/childbirth.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/10/19/abortion-mother-life-walsh/1644839/
Conditions that might lead to ending a pregnancy to save a woman's life include severe infections, heart failure and severe cases of preeclampsia, a condition in which a woman develops very high blood pressure and is at risk for stroke, says Erika Levi, a obstetrician and gynecologist at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill.

"There are certain cases where ending the pregnancy is the only option, cases where it would be putting the mother's life at risk to continue the pregnancy," she says.

 

Outlawing fantasizing about nude women will not reduce the number of fantasies, then why object to outlawing it?

 

So what you are saying is that if you take a premature baby (one that came out at only 25 weeks gestation) and stab it with a sewing needle, it won't even flinch?



Sorry, that just seems hard to buy.

It's also interesting to see you have moved beyond just the unborn and are beginning to dehumanize 2-year-olds.

 

Yeah, just like you ignore the number of women who die from legal abortions who wouldn't have died, and all the ones that commit suicide as a result of the depression and regret. Adding those together and probably have a higher rate of death for abortions than for childbirth.

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And lots of women die from abortions and lots commit suicide after abortions.

 

Women do not end a "baby's" life in abortion.

Women have a right to end a fetus's life for any reason they choose.

What's acceptable for you just doesn't matter.
I guess you aren't here to discuss(since you didn't address the post of mine you quoted) but to make a statement.
You made it, it's wrong.

 

This is nonsense because the Rights of the Woman are based upon the US Constitution that only addresses personhood and not when life begins. Personhood starts at birth and not before regardless of opinions on when life begins.

 

You have been shown that women who commit suicide or are depressed after abortion had problems BEFORE they got an abortion.


AND, no matter what the numbers are relating to birth or abortion it is STILL and ONLY the choice of the woman....it is NOBODY's business but hers....and really, that IS what bothers the Anti-Choicers, their inability to CONTROL women