The End of Abortion in America is Coming Soon

He's not... he's really not. He's being super cereal.

 

If you want to derail the thread I'll let you go first.

As for my power over a woman, it is not as if there aren't millions of women who agree with me about abortion. Yes, that's right, not all women agree on abortion. Many millions of women across this country are indeed against abortion.

It's stupid to just dismiss the issue as misogynous.

 

A legal question of adoptions is can a couple for which the woman unable to have a child HIRE a woman to have a child for her - and that the husband and wife then adopt by contract?

IF the answer is YES, then this also right to hire a surrogate birth mother and adopt the child also should exist.

The question then becomes, essentially, can people buy a baby? A couple, hetero or gay men, offer a woman $100,000 to have a baby they then will have and adopt. Should that be legal? It isn't now.

Your opinion?

 

I never said it was wrong to go to war or protect yourself (strawman).
I was demonstrating the logical disconnect in your analogies.

At one time in our history, they laws didn't apply to black people. They were sub-human. They were slaves. They were not entitled to human rights that white people were entitled to. We wish to extend the rights granted to us by the 5th and 14th Amendments to the Constitution to the unborn. It can be and should be done.

I think that you made that point already. What is the alternative? To end all reproduction? To make pregnancy illegal? Women also die from abortions. You don't seem to think those deaths are important.

I think that it is shameful for any woman to casually "choose" to kill her own unborn children. There ought to be a law against it.

The problem with that sentence is the dehumanization of people as "objects". A baby in it's mothers womb is not an "object".

 

I'm questioning your version of history.

The right to life is a basic human right.

You don't care about future generations. You said what do you care, you'll be dead.

But future generations will care about what past generations have done.

 

Strawman. I never said that they should do it to make me happy. I was just illustrating that birth control isn't that difficult. If a woman is that worried about getting pregnant, then she shouldn't mind going through the extra precautions. Plus, it would help stop the spread of STD's.

Liberals always want to use the euphemism "choice" for abortion, but I would say that it is an irresponsible choice.

I am against abortion for philosophical, scientific and logical reasons, not for religious reasons.

 

Are we really going to debate what came first, the chicken or the egg?

Answer, the egg came first.

A fertilized egg will become that which it is genetically designed to become. It is in the process of becoming. It is in development. Interrupting the development of a human being is immoral.

I don't agree that women are oppressed because they bear the burden of childbirth. This is a design of nature. It is neither good nor bad. It is what it is. Is it a curse or is it a blessing? That depends on your mindset.

 

I guess your right in a sense. I want to outlaw the liberal democrat religious cult and their practice of human sacrifice called abortion.

 

Ideological zealotry is a religion. True conservatives think government should stay out of people's lives. Socialists want government to control people. Your messages are totalitarians socialism on theocratic originated beliefs, not conservative. You may be many things, but by your messages conservative isn't one of them.

Religious rightwing theocracy began it's replacing conservatives in the Republican Party in the mid 1980s with Pat Robertson and their elimination of any conservative voice in the Republican Party now is virtually complete. Freedom from government has been replaces with demands for a theocratic authoritarian government to eliminate personal liberty.

Every reason, every "logic," all word choice and all slogans you use are ancient Catholic doctrine. Scientific terminology is intolerable to you. If it quack like a duck and walks like a duck, it's a duck. That they gained control over your mind while you still think you are not controlled by religion doesn't change that you 100% are subjugated. You're their servant doing their work and evangelizing for them.

Calling yourself conservative is laughable.

 

I would agree that ideological zealotry is a religion. I also agree with your characterization of conservatism vs socialism.

I disagree that my messages are totalitarian socialism on theocratic originated beliefs. The are based on the philosophical beliefs in the Enlightenment, the advancements in the physical sciences, and logical reasoning of sociological morality. I don't think that my religious beliefs play into that other than the extent to which the Enlightenment and morality owes to religion and either of which can be understood separate from any religion.

 

#BlackLivesMatter except in the case of abortion:

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Ben Carson Doubles Down: The Number One Cause Of Death For Black Americans Is Abortion

 

No one person has ever ordered "scramble chicken and bacon" for breakfast. Your word usages are bizarre because they are from ancient metaphysical/religious dogma.

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As opposed to the view that blacks lives only matter in the case of abortion when arguing prolife.

I agree with you, white police holding black women down performing abortions should be outlawed. But help me out, where is that legal exactly?

 

And those who don't want them to abort and carry out the pregnancy, turn around and say they should be hung for leaching of the gov't welfare system.
Those idiots should not have children either.

 

What bizarre use of words are you talking about? What ancient metaphysical/religious dogma are you talking about?

millions more blacks have been killed by abortionists than police officers. Maybe the democrats and black lives matter phony outrage protesters need to take a look at their priorities.

 

In all fairness, my speculation of the source of your opinions is just speculation and I suppose your beliefs are as valid and legitimate to you as my beliefs as are me.

The question comes up as a serious beyond-mere-debate topic is if you or I want government to force my views on others proactively. Even that can become subjective. If one person claims abortion is murder and another says it isn't, neither of those are either face or science questions. Morality is never answered by science, is it?

I have tried to explain my wife's view as to reasons and my own - and why. They are founded on ideological and/or religious beliefs, views of the proper and improper roles of government, the status of a fetus (or preborn if you prefer) in terms of jurisdictional questions, and what role and authority women rightly have personally in relationship to children. What neither you or I can claim accurately is that science, logic or facts prove either of us morally right or wrong, can we? Morality and ethics, the proper power or lack of power of government etc - are neither scientific or fact questions. They ultimately are questions of beliefs and values each person has.

 

Alas, but all means of not getting pregnant sometimes fail. Women can figure out how to get unpregnant, though, and don't need rules and regulations made by those who have never been and never will be pregnant.

Ban beliefs, people will continue to believe as they will. Ban abortions, people will continue to make their own choices. Get over this worship of government, as if somehow passing a ban will end whatever is banned. Government is not that powerful.

 

Granted there are occasions when women screw up and get pregnant as a result.

Bristol Palin is a good example of that. She's made that mistake twice now.

But in her case, she is taking responsibility for that mistake, not killing her unborn offspring.

 

you misunderstand me

The abortions being performed in Queensland are being done legally

Admittedly illegal abortion was very very problematic in Victoria where organised crime had a hand in backyard abortions

 

Yes because in the period of time between challenge of the law to make it inactive - which is almost inevitable - and the initiation there will be maternal deaths.

The continuance of abortion in Queensland as a legal procedure is based on two factors - firstly that it is done for the health of the woman and secondly it cannot be proven otherwise

Victoria though abortion went underground and became part of organised crime. Thousands of women were mutilated in backyard abortions

 

For whatever reason Bristol Palin decided to have this baby, it is not because she is a responsible person.


"Those that practice abstinence have no chance of becoming pregnant...”--Bristol Palin

 

Brilliant post. You are correct. We are moving back into a time morality. I'm a bit apprehensive about I though because puritanism can be bad too. However, on the abortion issue, I couldn't be happier.

It's not hard to avoid unwanted pregnancies. Certainly not at the rate they occur.

 

You are making a perfect case for why women should not get abortions in backyards.

The rest of your argument doesn't justify the ending of a pregnancy via artificial violent means.

 

That is because I am not seeking to justify anything

I am simply stating facts

Where there is legislation on abortion it has led to either an increase in female mutilation through back street abortions or the law is challenged and becomes inoperative

 

What's missing, of course, is a reason to find problematic the appearance of foolishness in the eyes of people who have no idea what the hell they're talking about.

No, it extends citizenship to all persons born or naturalized in the US. It extends equal protection to all persons in the US, period.

Actually no such distinction is drawn anywhere in the Constitution.

So you've cleverly deduced that unborn children are ineligible to be President. WTG, Einstein.

Neither word - never mind the phrase - is to be found anywhere in the Constitution, Brainiac.

 

Trust me, you'll never eradicate abortion in this country like it or not. It's highly unlikely you'll ever see Roe vs. Wade overturned in our lifetimes and even if it was, back alley abortions would spring up like dandelions around the country. Prohibition never worked; attempting to eliminate abortions will never work. If a person doesn't like abortions, then they shouldn't have one.