The End of Abortion in America is Coming Soon

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by PatriotNews, Aug 12, 2015.

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  1. Junkieturtle

    Junkieturtle Well-Known Member Donor

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    The science has been settled for quite some time. I don't think there are many folks who think a fetus is an inanimate object. In fact, it being a baby is the main reason women get abortions.


    You have to be an individual to be entitled to the equal protections of the law. If I cut off your hand and put it in a jar, your hand doesn't still have rights despite it being biologically human. Nobody is saying the civil rights of your hand have been violated. That's because, despite it being human and alive, it is not a sentient individual.

    No, that's not how it's going to work. If the crazies are successful, we might see legal abortion prohibited, but abortion itself will still be extremely prevalent, just unsafe and dangerous for women who don't think their uterus and the folks like yourself who think you own them deserve more rights than they do.
     
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    I'm more concerned with his other lies that science has "confirmed" that life begins at conception and that Planned Parenthood profits off of selling baby parts.

    This thread is a complete fail.
     
  3. PatriotNews

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    Well if you think childbirth is unnatural but homosexuality is natural, you might be a liberal.
     
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    That's no justification for ending the life of unborn children. You are taking away their 14th Amendment right to due process and the 5th Amendment right to life.
     
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    TLTR...

    It is wrong to end the life of another human being. You can justify it however you want, it is still wrong.

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    If that is true, then you should have no objection to the passage of any laws which ban abortions.
     
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    The science has improved and their are many more ways to save the life of the unborn. Doctors even have operated on unborn children.

    Of course it is a person, even in it's earliest stages of development. DNA evidence tells us this.
     
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    Yes, I have an objection to banning abortion.
    A. There is nothing wrong with it.

    B. Women should have as much right to their own body as men.

    C. Even if Anti-Choicers find this delightful, women will die from having illegal abortions.
     
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    My pro-life site uses the Gallup poll.

    I think that is appropriate for you to compare abortion to slavery:

     
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    Plus the selling of baby parts does away with the "it's just a blob of tissue" argument.

    Nobody is fighting for the civil rights of hands. A hand is not a human being. A fetus is a human being, sentient or not.

    Go ahead and call me crazy, but I think that this massive waste of human life that legalized abortion has become is sickening and a dark stain on our society and our history. Future generations will look upon those who have condoned and perpetrated these barbaric acts as the crazy ones.
     
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    A. Taking human life is wrong.

    B. Women do have every right to their own body. The fetus is not their body, it's someone else's body.

    C. Even if pro-abortionist deny this, women die from legal abortions every year.
     
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    500,000 women die and 5,000,000 women are left crippled by pregnancy and labor each year in the world.

    What are your stats on women who die or are crippled by abortions each year?
     
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    I definitely think that abortion on demand, all the way up until delivery will be banned in the near future - because no one other than a tiny minority of radical liberals believe that a woman has unrestricted "ownership" over a fetus even when it's biologically identical to a baby.

    On the same note elective abortion as a whole will never be banned, because few if any people really believe aborting an embryo which has no brain the second after conception is killing a child - they just oppose it for religious or other ethical reasons, and don't really believe it's "murder"

    The science shows that brain activity doesn't begin until somewhere between 5-16 weeks in the pregnancy, and human and natural rights are defined by brain activity, not just being a "living" mass of cells. So the radical anti-choice are almost right up there with the radical pro-choice, and neither side is desired by the majority of Americans.
     
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    Yes, most people do land in the middle. No, most Americans do not want a 9 year old rape victim forced to have the rapist's baby. No, most Americans do not want legal partial birth abortions.
     
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    5 to 16 weeks eh? Which is it? 15 weeks and 6 days? 15 and 5 days?
     
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    funny how some Conservatives care soo much about babies in the womb, but don't care about them once they are born.
     
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    I'd say ban it at the earliest sign of brain activity until science does further investigation and finds a definite point in the pregnancy.

    It's a fact thought that it has no brain at conception.
     
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    Or I might be right...does that make me a "rightist"?

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    A woman doesn't need "justification." All she needs is the desire to have the zef removed from her body. A zef does not have Constitutional rights.
     
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    Have I not repeatedly pointed out to you that illegal abortions are usually not as safe for women? Of course, illegal abortions will never again be as dangerous as they were pre-RvW because of medical abortions. In addition, laws which limit women's choices are insulting to women, treating them like children unable to manage their own bodies.
     
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    While declaring people will never give up their personal and religious beliefs even if banned, there sure is a lot of people that are worried that it will be done.
     
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    No doubt it appears that way to those who somehow imagine that the murder of an unborn child has no consequences beyond weight loss for the mother.

    Not by anyone who knows what the hell he or she is talking about, it hasn't.

    The human fetus - or embryo, or zygote - is never in the "frog" stage. You're welcome.

    You are perhaps under the impression the Constitution's acknowledgement of the right to life extends exclusively to citizens?
     
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    republicans will never let that happen, cause they need the abortion issue to get the religious fanatic vote...... they do not want roe vs wade reversed.... they need it to say as is politically

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    A. No, it's done in war and self defense cases.


    B. IF the fetus is "someone else's body" it has NO right to use the woman's body....that would be having MORE rights than anyone else.
    So, the woman would have every right to stop the "someone else" from illegally using her body and have them removed.

    Now, if the fetus, being a "person" and all that, would just walk away then there would be no need to kill it.

    C. Women die from childbirth and neither fact should take away women's right to decide what to do with their own bodies.
     
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    It's true but no longer funny as the fight to protect the weak and needy from Repubs is ongoing
     
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    Since abortion has been around just about as long as humans have been your last statement doesn't hold up..


    ...and WHY would anyone care what future generations think ?????

    We will be dead, we won't know, we won't care, it's a silly silly NON-Argument.
     
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