The End of Abortion in America is Coming Soon

You're begging the question, a logical fallacy.

Future generations will continue to regard oppression of women as barbaric. Countries that ban abortion are generally the same as those that practice female genital mutilation, and punishment and stigmatization of rape victims.

 

Melodrama!

Just google, it's better than looking foolish.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/17/health/complex-science-at-issue-in-politics-of-fetal-pain.html
But Dr. Fisk, a former president of the International Fetal Medicine and Surgery Society, said neurological research has convinced him that pain “is not possible at all” before 24 weeks.

 

Our Constitution extends equal protection under the law to "All persons born."

 

Well they can't figure out how not to get pregnant so...

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So, you are in favor of banning religious beliefs?

 

Yet you are in favor of banning religious beliefs that allow for abortion. Simply saying that if your belief is that abortion is a sin, then don't get one. Not exactly rocket science.

But the die a man dies from complications of pregnancy is the day I will say men can have the right to restrict women's decisions on this subject.

 

So according to you 50% of the population are religious fanatics.

 

50% of Americans do not favor outlawing all abortions.
Most states are under 30%. Some under 20%.
By the way, those stats are from a poll YOU linked.

 

By your oft reasoning you see no problem if it is. However, who wants to outlaw religious beliefs is you on behalf of your own.

 

A. Pregnancy is neither war nor a case of self defense.

B. The fetus has every right to gestate in the womb of his or her mother. That's it's home. It's not a question of having more rights, it is a question of having the same basic right to life as anyone else. A fetus is not violating any law by being. There is no law against occupying your mothers womb.

C. Women die from abortion as well. The fetus is not their body.

 

It's ridiculous that you have to create this false history of abortion to justify infanticide in a modern culture.

It's important that we guard the right to life for future generations to come. They will care even if you don't care about the sacrifices of our forefathers.

 

Well I would disagree, assuming that we are talking about human fetus's in the womb. Fetus's are human beings in the earliest stages of development, that is a fact that cannot be questioned. It is not a dog or a chicken.

Actually, countries that practice female genital mutilation and punish or stigmatize rape victims leave the "choice" of abortion up to the husband or male family members.

 

Most Americans believe in killing others to protect personal freedom, including justifying the mass the killing and mass killing of children, women and old people for that reason. That is the #1 reason give for the USA's involvement in wars and to justify the mass slaughtering of innocent people by the dozens, hundreds, thousands and tens of thousands. Prolifers just don't want women to have that same right. Just themselves.

Pregnancy and labor kills and cripples millions of women each year in the world. So prolifers pretending to give a damn about women's health in the abortion topic is just outright false.

There is an inherent nature of men to be violent and sadistic, particularly towards women. Laws are necessary to prevent the evil, violent natures of humans towards others, and 90+% of the time it is men. All mass atrocities, genocides, torture chambers, and nearly all rapists, pedophiles and murders are men. They will find any ideology, any religion, any theory to claim justification for violent, sadistic and punitive control over women. Rape and abuse fantasy porn is extremely popular including in the USA. The notion of raping and making females pregnant is at the core of many men's psyche. Forcing women to have children against her wishes is a sexual fetish fantasy to many men. This is nothing new. That women have any say over their bodies and whether or not to have children is repulsive to them - and they will argue natural law, God's law, any slogan they can make up, claiming that proves their sadism is moral and necessary.

 

I am not against abortion because of my religious beliefs even though the do intersect. I am against abortion because it is scientifically, ethically and morally wrong to allow it in a civilized society.

Half of the victims of abortion are males so I think that gives men the right to have a say in the legality of abortion.

 

Name those countries. What you find virtually all such countries agree with you and outlaw abortions. On that topic and of the power of men over women you and them are of the same mind about your power as a man over women in terms of abortion.

 

A. YOU POSTED taking a human life is wrong and then I posted No, it's done in war and self defense. YOU MUST then think it's wrong to go to war and use self defense to protect yourself. I NEVER posted pregnancy is war or self defense , you are running from what was actually posted.


B. The fetus has no rights. If it did you would be able to show the LAW that says it has rights. You can't.

You do NOT want it to have the same basic rights , you want it to have MORE rights than anyone else. You wanty it to have the right to use another person's body to sustain it's life. NO other person has that right.

Women also die from childbirth but you don't seem to think those deaths are important. AND it is STILL the woman's choice...not yours, not the governments, just hers and let's face it, THAT is what bothers Anti-Choicers, the FACT that women have that POWER


If the fetus is not their body that's all the more reason they should have it removed....I don't want objects in my body that aren't part of me....

 

I never said that people shouldn't have sex. (strawman)
I never said birth control is perfect. But if you use two, three or four methods at once, I would say that gives you like very close to 100% chance that you won't get pregnant. For instance, you could use the rhythm method, with the pill, while using a diaphragm and a condom. WHAT ARE THE ODDS?!!!

True, no woman is required to be responsible with their lives, but we expect them to be responsible for the lives of their children.

I agree. Religious beliefs should not be forced on others.

 

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I disagree with your interpretation of the scientifically determined statistics.

If you don't agree with the statistics from a scientific survey, then you are just a science denier.

 

abortion is still legal.

.....when does it become illegal?

 

Prove it.

 

Just because the fetus is not a dog or a chicken, that doesn't mean it's a human being. A chicken egg is not a chicken, EVEN IF IT IS FERTILIZED.

NOT A CHICKEN:

In countries with abortion bans, NO ONE has a choice, and even if the "choice" were left to male family members, it would still be oppression of women.

 

Basically ever message you post on the Abortion board proves it. Secular religion/ideology. Non-secular religion/ideology. No difference. Exactly the same psychology and rationalizations.

But you can clarify as I'm fairly new. Do you advocate outlawing abortion? If so, you want other's beliefs outlawed and your's forced upon them. Claiming your beliefs are atheistic changes nothing. Ideology/philosophy/religion - all the same when it comes to beliefs.

If you are simply declaring your beliefs, but do not want any laws enforcing them, then my conclusion was inaccurate. You can BELIEVE whatever you want to.

 

The US Constitution recognizes life upon birth, not before.

"natural BORN citizen"

"BIRTHright citizenship"

etc etc..