The End of the EV Mandate is at Hand

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  1. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    False claims =/= lies.
    A plaintiff's statement that the defendant lied is not a judgment of the court.
     
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    If with intent, it is.

    And that's why they settled and why Dominion CEO accepted their words. About those intentional false claims that harmed his company and employees.

    Did you not see the highlighted red font that was the CEOs words about fox?
    Note, Fox did not sue him for stating they lied. Because if it were false, that would be a flat out defamation case.
     
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    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    Sorry, but intent is precisely what was left out and was not covered by the settlement. The Dominion CEO is free to spin it however he likes. His spin doesn't matter.
     
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    Dominion CEO called the settlement by fox admitting to lies.
    I posted the quote and link already.

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    Dominion CEO John Poulos called the settlement "historic."
    "Fox has admitted to telling lies about Dominion that caused enormous damage to my company, our employees and our customers," Poulos said in a statement.
    https://www.reuters.com/legal/domin...inst-fox-poised-trial-after-delay-2023-04-18/
     
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    The Dominion CEO's words don't matter in the slightest.
     
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    Fox admitted nothing. Their decision to settle was disappointing on many levels as Professor Dershowitz pointed out. Particularly disappointing is the avoidance of a ruling by the Supreme Court on the implications of the first amendment.
     
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    They settled with Fox about their lying about them.

    So, it matters quite a bit.
     
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    Do you read the post you respond to?

    Fox admitted to making false claims.
     
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    Fox made no admission about lying, and the settlement excluded wording about lying.
    The Dominion CEO is certainly entitled to his opinion, but no, his opinion matters only to him.
     
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    It is important to defend the difference between false claims and lying, because it is within the space created by that difference that tolerance resides.
     
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    No they didn’t. They endorsed “false” (meaning unproven) claims of issues with the voting machines. The claims were never disproven because forensic audits were never conducted.
     
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    False claims they admitted to. IE, not the truth. IE, lies. Thx.
     
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    False claim =/= lie.
     
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    There is evidence that the Dominion machines might have been tampered with. But we will never know because forensic audits were not done. Therefore there is no proof that some of the machines were tampered with and there is no proof that all of the machines were not tampered with. An opinion that some of the machines were tampered with is not a lie because it is based on evidence that has never been disproven. The Fox settlement is disappointing because they did nothing wrong. They gave a platform to those who claimed that tampering did occur and there is no proof that tampering did not occur. Why did Dominion not open up their records for public scrutiny in the form a forensic audits. One book that I read suggested that the machines in 6 suspect cities - Atlanta, Phillapelphia, Detroit, Milwaukee, Phoenix, and Las Vegas be forensically audited. If all were certified that no tampering occurred then certify the election and state that the election was fair. This was suggested to the Trump administration but they did not act on it.
     
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    Yes, it is. If done intentionally.
    Which they did.
     
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    BS.
    That's why fox had to pay them and admit they made false claims about their machines.
     
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    And again as has been repeatedly shown to you Fox admitted nothing but very disappointingly settled out of court. The integrity of the Dominion machines has never been proven one way or another.
     
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    Don't like debate? Pity.
     
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    No. Not if they believed their claim was true. No one has confessed to an attempt to deceive.
     
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    Dominion CEO John Poulos said the case was settled for $US787.5 million ($1.17 billion) and that Fox had admitted telling lies about his company.

    "Fox has admitted to telling lies about Dominion that caused enormous damage to my company, our employees and the customers that we serve. Nothing can ever make up for that," Mr Poulos said.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04...ch-settlement-in-defamation-lawsuit/102239394

    ...xxx

    A statement from Fox soon arrived by e-mail: “We acknowledge the Court’s rulings finding certain claims about Dominion to be false.

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/anna...unning-end-of-dominions-case-against-fox-news
     
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    Poulos is entitled to his opinion.
     
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    The Dominion CEO was a party the case so his opinion is without meaning.
     
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    His opinion does matter.
    In fact, he called Fox out as liars. Which would seem to make that statement slander if not true.
    And he should be sued by fox for slander.

    But, they let it slide.
     
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    He can call them whatever he wants. It doesn't matter, and it certainly does not prove Fox intended to deceive.
     
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    It does. Absolutely.
    That's why they settled. To avoid public exposure of said lies.
     

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