The final days of Iran's tyrants

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  1. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You an expert on this? Every country has exactly the same need or not of nukes.

    However if you are wanting the deal to end then you are sending her on a course to have nukes whenever she wants. What do you have to gain from that?
     
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    If you dont mind I will trust my instincts instead of yours
     
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    You need to read the actual agreement. The military sites that were involved in nuclear efforts are part of the inspection. And there is a procedure to inspect any suspected additional sites should one of the signatories request that inspection. Your need to hypothesize non compliance without any evidence is a classic. Reminds most of us anout Bush's war ostensibly caused because Saddam would not allow unlimited, unscheduled inspection of his palaces even though there was and never has been any evidence that they were being used for nuclear research.

    Even our moronic Trump administration hasn't said Iran is not complying with the agreement.
     
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    I’m no authoity but I did read that Iran is running out of oil
     
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    jimmy rivers Well-Known Member

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    First of all, that's garbage as we both know.

    I want to be able to continue seeing you as a rational poster so let's walk your statement back a moment...you are justifying iran's suicide bombing and terrorism campaigns, including the 2006 war, against Israel civilians because of the situation of the west bank arabs? So a country, say Italy, can attack Indonesia because there are christians being oppressed in the country?

    Why don't you take a few minutes to think about what you wrote, and then respond. I'd prefer not to write you off completely, and that post was an all-time low.
     
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    Iran has no reason to cheat

    They got a sweetheart deal
     
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    Do protestors in Western democracies get beaten, tortured and publicly hanged for marching? Do democracies shut the internet off, and unleash internal militias to attack the protestors? Are you actually comparing the situation in iran to say, the women marching in Wash DC in early 2017?
     
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    More trolling. Geez margot, I really thought you were better than this. Guess I was mistaken.
     
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    Not much since obama already rewarded them with billions of dollars

    I dont have an easy answer to the iran problem since we are not prepared for a war at this time

    But I think they will force a war on us sooner or later
     
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    You have it back to front. You are the ones after war as Macron said.

    https://www.rt.com/news/414924-macron-iran-us-rhetoric-war/

    Trump is in the wrong again and has no support again.
     
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    Macron is entitled to his opinion

    The trouble with euros like him is that they all want to do busness with iran instead of preventing iran from going nuclear
     
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    No they want to keep the deal going which even you admitted means no nukes for ten years.
     
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    I have, several times.

    WRONG.

    http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-iran-nuclear-20170830-story.html

    Iran says military sites are off-limits for nuclear inspections despite U.S. pressure

    "As the Trump administration calls for stricter monitoring of the Iranian nuclear agreement, officials in Iran insist they are complying with its terms and will not allow international inspectors into military sites."

    I think that makes it pretty clear.

    https://nypost.com/2017/09/15/iran-deal-backers-finally-start-to-admit-its-gaping-flaws/

    "Iran-deal backers finally start to admit its gaping flaws"

    http://www.heritage.org/global-politics/commentary/the-most-glaring-flaws-obamas-iran-deal

    "The Most Glaring Flaws in Obama’s Iran Deal"

    Another major problem is verification of Iranian compliance. The administration’s initial insistence on “anytime/anywhere” inspections was downgraded to “sometimes/some places.” Iran has up to 14 days to weigh the requests of International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors. If it decides to object, its objections would be relayed to an arbitration committee that would have 7 days to rule. If it rules against Iran, Tehran would have another 3 days to arrange an inspection. This gives Iran up to 24 days to move, hide or destroy materials sought by inspectors. This is far from a foolproof system, particularly in light of Iran’s long history of cheating.

    If the sites cannot be inspected, how can one say with certainty there is "no evidence"?

    Because unlike the armchair experts on this forum, and iran water carriers, NO ONE knows for sure except the iranian regime.
     
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    10 years is not very long
     
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    Our friend "margot" claimed they have needed energy since the early 1950s, that is patent garbage.
     
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    It is a hell of a lot longer than no time.
     
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    Quotes from RT are as worthless as last year's newspaper, its like grabbing articles from press TV or al manar.

    Macron/France has major business dealings with iran, the fact that the US spends billions on the military to protect sh-tholes like France and allow them to engage such financial arrangements is lost on idiots like macron.
     
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    Liberals are mostly anti nuclear

    But when it comes to enemies of America liberals are just fine with nukes

    The more the better
     
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    You speak of running a marathon and I don't know anything about nuclear weapons.. So what are your credentials?

    I can't remember when this became an issue. .. It didn't happen in 1979.. Must have been 1992-93 after the oil debt was paid.

    Then Israel was threatening Iran and screaming "existential threat" and Iran was responding in kind... Year in and year out with Israel claiming every 90 days that Saudi Arabia was going to let them cross Saudi airspace to bomb Iran. So Iran would say, if Israel attacks us, we'll bomb Dhahran.

    Oddly enough the Eilat-Ashkelon pipeline (since 1968) is still in use.

    Isn't it time Israel also made some effort towards making this right?
     
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    Just like with the religious fanatics of iran, the liberals/leftists love them - but attack the ones in america relentlessly. Like I said in the other thread, I wish I was a meteorologist or a liberal, I get to be wrong 99% of the time and never have to worry about being accountable for it.
     
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    Why would liberals be anti nuclear, or are you just projecting again? Iran has needed nuclear power since the 1950s to develop their electrical grid. The US was training their nuclear techs.

    KSA also needs nuclear power.. and will be developing nuclear desalination plants that also generate lots and lots of cheap electricity in the next decade..

    We could develop nuclear power in the US if we had the will and the money, but I think we must prefer coal.
     
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    Your comments in this thread have been, shall we say, significantly below average.

    One does not need to be a nuclear scientist to comment on this situation any more than they need to have lived in the mideast in the 1950s to be able to comment on that either.

    To claim otherwise is trolling.

    Your memory fails you. In 1980, one of khomeini's first utterances was that iran was going to destroy Israel.

    As was your claim that "no jews fought in WW1 against the ottoman empire, it seems your grasp of the facts is rather lacking.
     
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    With sanctions in place and without the bilions of dollars obama gave them iran might be dismanteling its nuke program by niw
     
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    Did you say they needed nuclear for energy? I think that is what the report I saw said.
     
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    When you say "going nuclear"... do you mean nuclear power plants or weapons?
     
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