The "Frog Boiling" Strategy of the "pro-life" movement...

Assumption is for those who do not want to learn.

 

Well, I hope you are not "watching" radio, Sam...it could get quite boring.

And I know of Cenk Uygar.....you better be careful. You keep watching him and you might start thinking about what you've been taught.

 

The best way to reduce abortion rates is to increase availability and knowledge about contraception and to give more support to women who would rather not abort. All laws against it do is drive it underground.

 

You know what happens when you assume, right?

 

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It's not about reducing abortions for the "pro-lifers"....it's about controlling women.

 

Sam not liking inconvenient things doesn't kill a baby. There's no comparison.

Do you believe it's the right thing to do for a woman to get an abortion? When everything's normal and everyone's perfectly healthy?

Those who can't face visual imagery of what abortion actually involves are insecure.

 

Did you ever consider that maybe you have been misled about what an abortion actually looks like?

 

Seems you need reminding yet again that abortion does not kill a 'baby'.

I find it inconvenient that you keep on posting BS things, yet you seem to find that convenient, can I therefore ban you from posting these things I find inconvenient just because I do?

It is not my or your decision to make, you cannot step inside another person and decide for them what is right for them, or maybe you would like someone to do the same for you?

Post your visual imagery of what 80+% of abortions look like then please, or are you, yet again fixated on the less than 1% that take place after viability, which we all know are done for very good reasons.

After all we all know that pro-lifers can only portray their dishonest point by producing still birth or late term abortion pictures (or in some pro-lifers case stills taken from a fictional TV series) performed for very good reason .. its called an appeal to emotions.

Remember this one

[video=youtube;0DGWG3Tl7qQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DGWG3Tl7qQ[/video]

 

that video from house is taken from real photos of a fetus.

 

Why should I believe you when you say it's OK to lie to promote your agenda?


Did you know that "House" was a TV show, not a documentary? I didn't think so......

 

At what gestational stage?

 

no it is not, for one thing the quality is far to good for it to be real.

 

Yes, but it does show what a fetus looks like.

 

so you have gone from saying that the video is real to saying that it is just an approximation of what a fetus looks like .. talk about twisting and squirming.

 

implying what?

 

"Implies" nothing....."shows" you have no argument and are twisting and squirming.

A photo of a fetus proves nothing, it makes no point.....it is meaningless...

 

What ever enters your head as that is the standard thing for you anyway

 

Stephen Colbert created the term "truthiness"

"truthiness"- a quality characterizing a "truth" that a person making an argument or assertion claims to know intuitively "from the gut" or because it "feels right" without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts.

Sound like anybody we know?

 

BTW, here's an article in the rightwing "National Review" that confirms my premise of how the "pro-lifers" are pushing an "incremental" "frog boiling" agenda-

Read the whole article if you like, it shows how the 20 week ban bill blew up....from inside the GOP, but here's the relevant part that concerns my OP-

Pro-lifers, more than any other wing of the conservative base, have historically been willing to compromise in order to achieve incremental gains. There is no government shutdown in the pro-life playbook. Life activists have, instead, accepted rape and incest exceptions that violate their principles as the price of passing the pro-life measures that protect at least some in-utero babies.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/397673/quarrel-blew-gop-abortion-bill-joel-gehrke/page/0/3

 

What isn't wrong with it? By the way... may I put your question in my signature?

The end. They should drop it, and focus on legislation that actually works. Building law based on lies is supposed to be the kind of thing a constituency opposes.

 

First, thanks for the bump.

Second, young Sam there is about 20 years old....and raised in a household full of Fox News and Rightwing Preacher shows. He never actually thinks about what he's saying a lot of the time.

Third, the OP is relevant given the Texas clinic laws.....yet another attempt by the "pro-lifers" to "get around" Roe and use tricks and gimmicks to deny women choice....while dishonestly claiming it's about "women's health" or "hygiene."

Again, showing how they have to LIE to try to get their agenda enacted. THEY know they can't "sell it" openly and honestly.

 

I'm not sure about the "boiling frog" strategy as fetus at 4 weeks is as human as one at 12 weeks.
Killing is killing regardless of how far along the fetus has developed.

From a secular, biological point of view, we are human the moment a zyygote was created...basically a diploid cell resulting from the fusion of two haploid gametes.

Now we may say that this - is not in any way, shape or form the equivalent to this -

The fact is the blueprint of our identity, our DNA....from the shape of our ears to the length of our toes...is contained with this seemingly insignificant zygote -

The blueprint of our individuality as a person does not "develop" from fetus to baby to adult...it is all there, within the zygote. The same applies to an elephant, an eagle, or a human being. The blueprint of life is contained within a single cell, created by the union of sperm and egg in the womb. Within her body, resides a distinct human being. It's really quite miraculous when you think about it.

However we've taken life's truly fascinating complexity, for granted. We can dispose of one fetus and know we can have another when we're more "ready" to have a child/ children.

Each and every one of us began as a uni-cellular organism with just the right amount of DNA to guide our development into who we are today, debating about this topic.

While I recognize the complexity of an unplanned pregnancy, as motherhood should not be taken lightly...it's also important to recognize that even at it's most fundamental state of existence...a human life has value, a future worth consideration; and abortion robs this life from becoming.

We all, here on this thread, are fortunate, we were allowed to become who we are, our futures remain.

 

But see that IS what a lot of "pro-lifers" say.....that that freshly fertilized egg IS "the same as" a baby.

Wasn't hours ago, I read a post from a "pro-lifer" who said "from the moment of conception it's a a baby in the womb"....which is asinine, much less in error biologically.

Plus the "boiling frog" theory is involved in that too.

While "pro-lifers" believe it IS a "baby" from the moment of fertilization....they know they can't "sell that" to the general public. So....they talk late-term abortions and say "Surely you can't object to us banning that????"

and, as I said in the original posts here, they start moving the goal-posts lower and lower and lower.

It's like their "20 weeks ban....surely, if a woman wants an abortion she could decide in less than 20 weeks"......and say they get that.....then a year or two later, they'll ask for "15 weeks or more".....then "10 weeks or more".....then "8 weeks or more"....."5 weeks or more"....

and before you realize it, the water in the frog's pot has started boiling....and the frog's soon to be served up for dinner.


And the reason, as I said, is simply....they KNOW they can't ban abortion back to "conception" (ask one to define THAT sometime )......they can't "sell it."