So the gay agenda is for us to have the freedom to publicly ejaculate all over innocent bystanders without fear of prosecution, then? No. I can't speak for the agenda of people who do things I personally find repugnant and believe should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. What I can say is that the detractors who trot out the most extreme examples of human behavior in order to tar an entire, diverse group of people (most of whom have no association with it and deplore it), are acting pretty shamelessly themselves in spewing their bigoted propaganda.
a good place to start is to rally against those types of public displays. Shall we also get into the Seattle Gay pride or does that also fall under "extreme examples"? How many will it take for me to list before you realize that your militant arm does you absolutely no good. They are outspoken and then to perform those types of acts does no good at all. So, if the definition of homophobic is that I don't want to see 2 lesbians licking each others nipples in public or 2 men putting each others members in their mouths, then i guess I'm homophobic........ On a side note, I also don't want to see a woman taking a man into her mouth in public either; but to make a rally and call it "gay pride" and then behave in that manner draws attention to those behaviors and is baggage that the "cause" must carry. I then continue to state that the only difference between you and me is how we have sex and those examples in public clearly confirms that.
So according to you you have no problem with homosexuality, just a problem with graphic public sex, regardless of who does it. I think most of us can rally around this. As for there being no difference besides what happens in the bedroom, that has been repeatedly refuted and you have never addressed the many ways that our sexuality becomes part of normal conversations or benign displays of affection. Why don't you address these things? You know your heterosexuality is part of who you are and is on display in many ways throughout your day. Why should gays have to be invisible to make you comfortable? Fortunately the world is evolving and more and more people are simply not worrying about the issues that cause such consternation for you.
No. 1. An inanimate object worshiped for its supposed magical powers or because it is considered to be inhabited by a spirit. 2. A course of action to which one has an excessive and irrational commitment. By your reasoning heterosexuality would also be a fetish.
Not really, it is normal for say a man to be attracted to a woman and maybe even become somewhat emotionally irrational. This is the way nature intended in order for procreation to take place. A heterosexual commitment is not irrational. Homosexuality is more like a fetish in that normal human sexuality is supplanted by a particular course of action (being attracted to same sex individuals). Don't get me wrong, I am not against anyone's particular fetish, I really don't care what they do in the privacy of their sex rooms. If it gets them off..who am I to throw cold water on them? It's private....No one knows that the office gal "Mary" likes whips and chains for instance. We don't celebrate her actions with bouquets, ceremonies, and receptions.
If a hetero is emotionally irrational, you are defending it as a fetish, by definition. The definition doesn't say how common the irrational attraction is.
Those who are gay do not need to be invisible. If I walk up to you and say, Hi, I'm your Dr to look at your sore ankle and I like to make love with women; is that description necessary? But if I engage in gay sex then for some reason it must be stated that I'm a gay Dr; why? Why can't I simply be a Dr regardless of how I have sex?
I have found that most homophobes are either attracted to same sex and ashamed, biblethumping automatons, or simply puny humans. I wonder exactly what you are fighting against? the constitution?
How do you know this isn't exactly what is going on? Your doctor could be gay. All I'm saying is there are myriad ways we display our sexuality in very inoffensive ways every day. There are legal issues regarding the relationships that gay people share and wish to be honored. You never address these realities. "Keep it in the bedroom" is not addressing these issues and it didn't the first time you wrote it and it still doesn't. You keep making up these ridiculous scenarios and make them the focus of your argument. Doctors don't have name tags that say "Gay Doctor Jones". Will you address a post that has actually been written, not one that you have in your head?
"legal issues" about how you have sex?????? Geez louise. Again, please tell me how someone who is gay drives a vehicle differently than the 97% who have straight sex? Do you get fined more heavily if you are gay? How does the cop who pulls you over even know if you engage in gay sex? is it your skin color? Is it that you only have 1 arm? If you rob my house, do you serve more time in jail if caught because you are gay? How does the judge know that you are gay? Is it your hair color? Is it that you only have 1 leg? Interesting isn't it? It keeps coming right down to the fact that no matte rhow you have sex, we are the same with respect to everyhting else. And, unlike race or gender, nobody but nobody can tell how you or I engage in sex unless we tell them. And even then, who gives a rats behind? Being part of the 3% doesn't make you any more special than the other 97% who simply go about our days working, trying our best to be decent citizens etc etc You actually make my point. i don 't care how my Dr has sex. i just want him/her to be competent. I don't need to know that there are xxx gay Drs in the USA any more than I need to know that xxx Drs like doing it with 3 women at once. Are you trying to elude to that ultimate goal that we hear all too often..............gay marriage? Is that what the "legal" portion is because it certainly isn't other laws or Constitutional rights. If it's marriage that's in your craw then go be with whomever you like. Nobody but nobody is stopping you. if you want the Govt to "bless" 2 men or 2 women and marriage then I will support that the minute they also bless 2 brothers, 2 sisters, mom and son, dad and daughter, aunt and nephew etc etc. it needs to be any union of any 2 consenting adults. Or, fix the darn tax, SS and insurance regulations so there is parity for single people and we don't need the govt in the business of marriage. Leave it to the people, churches whatever. But, since this is the "gay agenda" thread. I believe that it all comes down to that nasty little word "normal" and you want the govt to step in and mandate begin to make rulings upon the different ways 1 can have sex and that it's all normal. That is not the governments business nor that of the schools. If I think going a round or 2 with an inflatable doll is abnormal then that's my personal opinion. I don't care if you like doing it, just don't shove the doll into my face and talk about it. You have your opinions, I have mine. I live my life the best way that i see fit as do you. What's right for you isn't right for me and vice versa. But, today we do have the freedom to our beliefs and opinions and can voice them. To want to silence an opposing opinion is militant and that is "the gay agenda'
I have found that most who engage in gay sex are militant, do not respect the rights of others to their opinions and spit on God. (sounds just as absurd as your statement doesn't it?) Well golly gee, 2 can play that game but you wanna know a secret............I'm sure that as i sit on airplanes, attend conferences, meet new people that I have ..............actually spoken with and enjoyed time with people who are gay. Can you imagine that? gay people can actually walk among us and engage in commerce with the 97% who are heterosexuals. gay people actually speak the same languages, laugh at bad jokes and might even hold the door for you if your hands are full. Those who engage in heterosexual sex might actually hold the door for gay people when their hands are full and laugh at their bad jokes too. The only place we part company is that when I "get busy" , it's with the opposite sex. That's it!!!! it's the only difference so why do you honestly think people fear you????
No one is trying to silence your opinion. I am trying to get you to stop your inane arguments about gays driving cars differently or eating a burger differently. These are childish, silly comments and are refuting nothing anyone is saying. I am saying that gays should have equal rights under the law, and that includes marriage. The other combinations you suggest all have possible ramifications regarding the health of any children the couple might have, so I see no equivalence. You don't want me talking about my doll or shoving it in your face, but gays should be able to talk about their significant other just as straights do and introduce them at the company party and dance together and have pictures of them on their desk at work and all the many normal things that people do that identify their sexuality. Once again, for the umpteenth time, you refuse to address these issues and instead talk about how gay and straights differ while driving cars. These are simply stupid arguments that don't address the now oft repeated legitimate ways that people do display their sexuality on a day to day basis. Your avoidance is saying everything we need to know about the legitimacy of your argument.
good grief man. if you want to tell me that you and Jimmy went scuba diving then tell me. There is no law forbiding you from that. But, if you want to tell me that you "feel uncomfortable" making that statement at said office party then why is that? is it because some people might think gay sex is icky? SO WHAT!!! Is the whole crux of your movement that you have thin skin and your feelings get hurt? So you really do want to force your beliefs upon others. So what if some think it's icky? I think caviar is icky and i can't watch someone eat it. your shallowness is obvious. I am proud of the man I have become and know that some don't like me and others won't like me. I also know that some do like like me and will like me. Utopia doesn't exist So if a few people at said party are uncomfortable as you talk about what you and Jimmy did then don't tell them just like I won't discuss with a vegan the juicy steaks that I just bought. you really do want to control peoples thoughts and opinions and that sir, is downright creepy
Not at all. I don't care if you think it's creepy. I care when it becomes a matter of discrimination in hiring and firing, legal issues regarding inheritance and visitation rights, your "icky" introducing your verbal or physical abuse. These are real issues that really happen to gay people in our society because of people who just want the "gay" to keep it in the bedroom. They are out now and they will never go back in. The history of the US is the expansion of human rights to greater and greater numbers, from the emancipation of blacks to the suffrage of women, and it will continue now with this issue, and those that would like to keep these groups subjugated to the power of the white male will turn into the dinosaurs of their generations. You can feel how you like about that, but it will be the case, if history tells us anything at all.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. 26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy." 27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch.".... 40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce. 41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
There are many people who all their lives purchase auto liability insurance as mandated by law, and yet, they have never been in an accident. But STILL, the potential of an accident is precisely why the government mandates auto liability insurance. And as far as marriage goes, we have legal precedent that states this as a basic principle of Constitutional law.
hiring and firing- here we go again. How in the heck will the boss know how you have sex unless you tell him/her? So, are you now saying that those who have gay sex must be extended affirmative action? if that is the case, then many will state that they have gay sex just so they get the job. Heck, I'd try it and would demand that they prove that I wasn't gay. There is only one way to know for sure. About inheritance, that's a major issue with respect to single people. The way to work it is just draft a contract. You act as if there is only 1 way to skin a cat because you are so focused on letting how you have sex rule your own life. It is your entire being. You aren't a man; oh no, you are a "gay man". As for me, I'm simply a man and that's enough for me. I don't get it. Why does how you have sex have to be important to others? We don't care. Please, go freely about your life doing what it is that makes you happy. Life is too short to try and make everyone like you or accept everything that you do. I bet there are some here who shoot Bambi when it's season and others who don't condone deer hunting.
No one spoke about affirmative action. Red herring. Completely bogus. If someone is outed without their approval, which happens, gay people need to be protected from illegal firing. As for the contract, the law already provides one. It's called marriage. Why reinvent the wheel simply because of our sexuality? It's all the same, isn't it? We're no different, are we? Isn't that what you said? Once again, you don't respond to the many ways that people display their sexuality in simple and inoffensive ways every day. The fact that you want to go through your day without mentioning your boyfriend or girlfriend or wife to anyone anywhere doesn't mean that the rest of humanity want to walk through life in the closet about every part of their private life. I actually doubt you do that either, but if you want to go ahead. Don't expect many to follow your mandate. It won't happen, gay or straight. Deer hunting is on another thread.
