The "Great Unraveling" continues.

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I predict John Eastman will be named as a co-conspirator along with Don in the 1/6 prosecution.
     
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    Yes Sir, I seem to recall having read through this one possibly when you first posted it and agreeing with the entire article.

    The structure of the House is a disaster with the two year term limit being an insurmountable burden to its effectiveness, inextricably tied with re-election pork barrel agendas.

    It's a wonder it gets anything done at all.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Clearly House members need to spend far too much time campaigning and raising campaign money. Which is why we need to publicly fund election campaigns and repeal Citizens United.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Former Jan. 6 Committee Members Express Hope America May Soon See High-Level Accountability For Insurrection

    Lawmakers who served on the Jan. 6 select committee responded Tuesday to Donald Trump’s claims that he received a target letter from special counsel Jack Smith, expressing optimism that there would be accountability “at the very top” for the events that led to Congress being stormed in an attempt to subvert democracy.

    “I heard from a lot of people across America who felt that the little guys would end up facing criminal justice and accountability, but the people at the top would not,” Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD) told TPM and other reporters outside of the House chamber. “And, if this is where the evidence takes the prosecutors, then I’m glad that our justice system is working.”

    Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-CA), who was also on the select committee, said that seeing accountability around the former President’s actions will be a “relief.”

    “I guess some relief that there will be accountability at the very top,” Lofgren said when asked for her reaction to Trump’s announcement during a Tuesday MSNBC interview. “We’ve seen a lot of the rioters themselves prosecuted, correctly, been convicted, sentenced to prison. But to date, the people who organized it, who schemed that up, have not been held accountable and I think it is important that happen.”

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/...ee-high-level-accountability-for-insurrection

    Couldn't agree more.
     
  5. Patricio Da Silva

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    That's rich given that your guy Trump pardoned his criminal cronies and helped his daughter and son-in-law rake in millions while they were on staff.
     
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    hardly, the clown car that is falling apart is none other than that of the house republicans:

    Dan Goldman


    AOC



    Ranking Member Jamie Raskin

     
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    Trump was photographed with Epstein, funny you didn't mention him, or Alan 'I wore my underpants' Dershowitz.
     
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    No, Trump is a national security threat to only one thing, The United States.
     
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    That was the choice of federal prosecutors.

    The reasons prosecutors do not prosecute is when they are not convinced a jury will convict.

    Apparently the case you claim that is against them is insufficient to warrant prosecution.

    We can't help it if Democrats are not as criminal as Republicans.

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    That is false. Or, provide evidence.
     
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    Dems didn't elect the most criminal and corrupt president in US History, Donald Trump.
     
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    Sorry, there simply is no definitive proof or publicly available evidence that Hillary Clinton was involved in moving arms from Benghazi to Syrian Rebels, let alone any groups identified as Al Qaeda.
     
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    There is no publicly available, credible evidence to support the claim that former President Obama directly provided weapons to Al Qaeda. This conspiracy theory has circulated within certain political circles, but it lacks definitive proof.

    It is a well-documented fact that the Obama administration did provide support to some rebel groups in Syria during the civil war. This was part of a strategy to topple the regime of Bashar al-Assad. However, the nature and the recipients of this aid have been the subject of debate. It is possible that some weapons ended up in the hands of extremist groups given the complex nature of the Syrian conflict, but there's no evidence to suggest that Obama intentionally armed Al Qaeda.

    Naturally, it serves the right wing agenda to claim it to be true, but trafficking in innuendo and exploiting it to score political points is their game, apparently.
     
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    Your argument has issues:

    1. The Obama administration knowingly armed the Islamic State: There is no definitive proof that the Obama administration knowingly armed the Islamic State (IS, also known as ISIS or ISIL). The U.S. has admitted to arming moderate rebels in Syria to fight against Bashar al-Assad, but they've consistently stated their intent was to carefully vet these groups to avoid arms ending up with jihadist groups like ISIS. However, the chaotic and complex nature of the Syrian Civil War did mean that some weapons may have inadvertently ended up in the wrong hands.

    2. The Anti-Assad forces were the Islamic State: While ISIS was indeed a major force fighting against the Assad regime, it was not the only group to do so. The conflict involved a wide range of factions, from Kurdish forces to various other rebel groups, some of whom were secular, some Islamist, and others jihadist. Some of these groups were also fighting against ISIS. The situation was extraordinarily complex.

    3. The "Stop Arming Terrorists Act" was directed at the Obama administration's policies: The "Stop Arming Terrorists Act" was a bill introduced by Rep. Tulsi Gabbard and Sen. Rand Paul in 2016 and 2017, respectively. Its stated goal was to prevent U.S. government funds from being used to support groups associated with Al-Qaeda, ISIS, or other terrorist groups. However, the bill never passed and remains controversial. It does not provide definitive proof that the Obama administration was knowingly arming terrorists. Rather, it reflects concerns about the potential for U.S. aid to inadvertently benefit such groups in the complex Syrian conflict.
     
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    There enourmous amounts of pulicly available evidence .. you are speaking for the sake of opening mouth .. with no regard to the truth or falsehood of claims.
     
  16. Lee Atwater

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    Trump classified docs judge skeptical of push to delay trial past 2024 election

    The judge presiding over Donald Trump’s federal criminal case appeared skeptical Tuesday of the former president’s argument that the trial over his handling of classified documents should be delayed beyond the 2024 election, NBC News reported.

    But Judge Aileen Cannon, whom Trump appointed to the federal bench, seemed no warmer toward the Department of Justice’s position that the trial should begin in mid-December.

    “I can appreciate more time is necessary, but some deadlines can clearly be established now,” Cannon said, NBC reported.

    The hearing ended without a ruling. But the judge appeared to brush aside certain arguments, especially one put forward by a defense attorney who argued that Trump would not be able to get a fair jury to hear his case while he remains a top presidential candidate, according to NBC’s Ken Dilanian. Trump is the clear frontrunner in the Republican primary field.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/18/tru...id-to-delay-trial.html?recirc=taboolainternal

    Garland's reluctance to investigate Trump, made glaringly obvious during the 1/6 congressional hearings, is now complicating the timing of the trials he will face. Don is trying to use his candidacy as a shield from justice. Making him all the more despicable.
     
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    nothing to do with right wing agenda Patrick .. and once again you have no idea of the truth or falsehood of what you speak .. just making up stuff you think sounds good.

    Obama himself boasted about a coalition of 30 nations supporting - arming - supplying the Anti Assad forces .. and he was not Lying .. would you like a list .. or would you care to share how all the left over arms from the war in Yugoslavia made it into the hands of Obama's JV Team.

    Your claim that this was not intentional . is preposterously false nonsense .. once again .. having no idea of what you speak.

    In a desperate fallacious cry you call out Partisanship .. except the "Stop Arming Terorrist Act" had 13 Bipartisan co-sponsors in the House - a Bill which arose in response for Obama doing just that . the group being referred to in the name = "Al Qaeda and Spawn"
     
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    Potential Trump Charges Include Civil Rights Law Used in Voting Fraud Cases

    Federal prosecutors have introduced a new twist in the Jan. 6 investigation by suggesting in a target letter that they could charge former President Donald J. Trump with violating a civil rights statute that dates back to the post-Civil War Reconstruction era, according to three people familiar with the matter.

    The letter to Mr. Trump from the special counsel, Jack Smith, referred to three criminal statutes as part of the grand jury investigation into Mr. Trump’s efforts to reverse his 2020 election loss, according to two people with knowledge of its contents. Two of the statutes were familiar from the criminal referral by the House Jan. 6 committee and months of discussion by legal experts: conspiracy to defraud the government and obstruction of an official proceeding.

    But the third criminal law cited in the letter was a surprise: Section 241 of Title 18 of the United States Code, which makes it a crime for people to “conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person” in the “free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States.”

    Congress enacted that statute after the Civil War to provide a tool for federal agents to go after Southern whites, including Ku Klux Klan members, who engaged in terrorism to prevent formerly enslaved African Americans from voting. But in the modern era, it has been used more broadly, including in cases of voting fraud conspiracies.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/19/...9789&user_id=fecdfdffdaaa11107b72f0f4f6e429cc

    It is this case that holds the most significance for me. Because even the classified docs case, as important as it is in enforcing the rule of law, pales by comparison to Trump attempting to end our constitutional democracy.
     
  19. Lee Atwater

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    Inside Kevin McCarthy’s secret promise to expunge Trump’s record

    After House Speaker Kevin McCarthy suggested on national television last month that Donald Trump may not be the GOP’s best presidential nominee in 2024, the former president was furious — and wanted the California Republican to rectify the slight immediately.
    “He needs to endorse me — today!” Trump fumed to his staff on his way to a campaign event in New Hampshire, according to people familiar with what happened. McCarthy, after all, had indicated to Trump’s team that he would do so eventually. Why not clean up the mess and announce his support now?

    But the House GOP leader — who has felt compelled to stay neutral during the primary so as to not box in his own members — wasn’t ready to do that. To calm Trump, McCarthy made him a promise, according to a source close to Trump and familiar with the conversation: The House would vote to expunge the two impeachments against the former president. And — as McCarthy would communicate through aides later that same day — they would do so before August recess.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/...ld-trump-impeachment-expunge-promise-00107236

    Kevin is still Don's sock puppet.
     
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    Yeah you did and that would be Joe Biden. But tell yourself what ever lies you need to in order to support they party of corrupt self serving tyrants.
     
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    Everytime I come back to this thread I am amazed by the people who claim to be all about the rule of law but whose notion of the rule of law is that it is best served by jailing anyone who might disagree with them about much of anything of any import whatever.
     
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    Prove it.

    You talk sh*t, but you don't prove sh*t.
     
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    You're beating a dead horse on ASSAD, sorry, that ground has been sufficiently argued YEARS ago, and I don't buy your premise. The Syrian affair is too complex to reduce it to simplistic accusations, which no doubt serve the right wing agenda. This idea that Obama promotes ISIL is hyperbole in the extreme.

    Find another argument, that one I reject as a dead horse.

    The ACT didn't pass, if I recall.
     
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    That is the right wing narrative, but it's false. Trump abused the office, but Joe hasn't ever done that.

     
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    As they used to say on the playground, "Sez you."
     

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