The Greatest Murder Machine in History

Is that why the Crusaders also murdered Christians? Is that why when they took over Spain from the Moors they persecuted and murdered Muslims and Jews? Those without sin cast the first stone, we as Christians do not have clean hands.

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Wrong again, when someone makes a claim and calls it historical fact yet much of their claim is built upon a falsehood then it is a lie. Claiming that abortion is murder of babies is a flat out and straight forward LIE.

 

Those religions are just opposed to western societies teaching kids to be sexually promiscuous.
They know that it will soon infect their kids.

They realize that sexual promiscuity destroys societies and causes immense Child Abuse.

The West must return to teaching kids to marry right after high school and be good parents again

 

That does not resolve your claim regarding 'scientific fact' as a part of this thread or 'sceintific fact' even being mentioned in the OP. Also be mindful that you are seemingly calling someone a liar if you are accusing someone of telling lies. See: www.thefreedictionary.com/liar also see the TOS of this forum.

 

No, because you won't. It would mean TAKING A POSITION. Standing for something or standing against it.

But the only position you take is...trying to pick apart other people's positions and getting into semantics arguments like Bill Clinton on a witness stand.

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Dave, what if those kids are not in love with anybody right after high school.....arranged marriages?

 

I do that (take a position or stand against a position) in all of the posts that I make. I stand in defense of Christianity and stand opposed to any and all who would attempt to subvert Christianity.

 

When one makes a claim that is untrue, it is a LIE and I will point it out, claiming Millions upon Millions of babies are being murdered is not true, and that is the truth.
I have read the TOS (several times), guess what: the OP is still based on a LIE.

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Ain't it amazing? Jeeeez, I did not think schools were out until next week, must be different around the country.

 

So then I would be equally justified in saying that all the posts on this forum which have stated or inferred that God does not exist is a lie and you would not be offended by my claim? No one has proven that God does not exist, therefore any claim pointing in that direction (that God does not exist) is a straight forward lie. Such a claim about the non-existence of God is not just a matter of an opinion, but rather a malicious lie. Get the point?

 

Can you prove God exists? I doubt you could do so to a non-believer, pssst, I happen to be a Christian so your logic is not going to work. Now back to the orginal claims made in the OP, which are based upon an untruth.

 

Can you prove that babies are not being murdered through the act of abortion? There are many thousands or even millions of people who claim to be Christian. However, you should then realize that even those who claim to be Christian cannot show PROOF that they are Christian. Now back to the claims made in the OP which you claim are based upon an 'untruth'. Please show PROOF of your claim.

 

Ok, back to the begining, using the term Baby Implies a Person, one cannot be a person without a fully formed and functioning brain, the VAST majority of abortions occur prior to the brain developing to that point, hence the claim that they are babies is a Lie. Clear up your confusing. Let me ask you a simple question when do you believe the fetus becomes a baby?
Does not matter what you believe about my beliefs, those are only between me and God, your opinion one way or the other does not count or matter. But I do agree that some people claim they are Christians then turn around and do and say things that tells me that they may be a believer but they have a long way to go before they grasp what Jesus taught us.

 

When it is conceived. Now it is evident that you are basing your view of what a baby is on the opinions of PROFESSIONALS,, thus making your position on that subject one that is leaning on an appeal to authority. On top of that, the alleged authority is one that is attempting to play God in determining what is a 'baby'.

Speaking of what Jesus taught us. As outlined as and representing direct quotes of Jesus, Jesus had very little to say in the 'Bible'. So where are all those teachings of 'Jesus'? Will you find them in the reports of the 12 Apostles? Will you find them in the reports of Paul the 13th Apostle? Willl you find them coming from the mouthes of Pastors, preachers, Priests, or even the Pope? Will you find it in the opinions of various Theological Scholars? No! You will not find them in any of those places because all you will get from those sources is opinion... just like so many on this forum put forth... opinion. So, answer me this: Where do we obtain the true teachings of Jesus? IMHO (yeppir, I am expressing my opinion), the only 'true' source (in this day and age) of what Jesus taught us would be from communing with the Holy Spirit. If that offends your beliefs, then I make no apology for it.

 

I didn't respond because it's far too ignorant to waste one's time on.

 

Wrong again, you are on a roll. It is based on science and science says to be a Person one must have a brain, without one you re nothin more than a grouping of cells with potential. It is You that is making you determination based on wishful thinking and opinion, anyone that would equate a couple of cells just formed with a baby/person is not using logic in any form. Funny how you guys always claim it is others that base their opinion and not science then prove to the world that science is not you talent.
If you cannot find the teachings of Jesus in the NT then you are not what you claim to be and I do not have the time or will to teach you, ask your minister or priest next time you are in church, if you can find it, they will be more than willing to guide you.

 

If you're asking if I believe the Christian bible is the ultimate word, the answer is no. Having read myths and legends from a wide variety of sources and religions, I find similar comments and conclusions in most - but each with its own slant. When American Indians have century-old stories of the flood with two people surviving it to land atop a mountain, one has to wonder.

I also know the King James' version was simply an attempt to popularize it by making it rhyme and easier to read by the common man.

 

Thank you. As usual, it is an attempt to divert from the FACTS of the OP. There was not a single OPINION in the thread, just events that are provable.

A solution? Of course there is. Place all Muslims in their own nation/caliphate/or whatever they want to call it and ensure they don't try to spread their religion of hate beyond those boundaries. They can live their lives as they wish without presenting danger to others.

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Please PROVIDE ONE SINGLE FACT THAT DISPROVES ANY OF THE HISTORICAL CLAIMS IN THE OP!!!!!

 

Not wrong. That "science" you allude to is nothing more than the professionals opinions... which confirms my statement that you are leaning on an appeal to authority. Had those professionals not published their opinions in the form of findings, then you would not have such an argument to make.

Now I get to present this challenge to you: Show me a code, rule, regulation, Law, statute, TOS or other document which mandates to every person the use of 'logic' or the use of the scientific method in regard to making conclusions. You will not find one... therefore, your statement is unqualified.

There you go: Now you are desiring me to submit to an appeal to authority in the persons of "ministers" or "priests". They are merely persons just like you and me. They have no authority that is documented as a direct authority from God. The "Red Letter" edition of the "Bible" cleary shows what the teachings of Jesus was alleged to be... according to the writings of those authors... But those are merely opinions of those authors. You did say "the teachings of Jesus"... NOT the teachings of the 13 Apostles.

Of course then you want to side-step my inquiry to you asking you to show me the 'true' teachings of Jesus. You can't. That is why you side-step.

 

No, of course not.
If they do not want to get married, don't be sexy then.

 

The story compares well with the 40 "days" of "flooding" out-of-Africa by Modern Homo sapiens.
All other humanoid types went extinct except us, three racial stocks of modern man.

That also compares well since Noah had three sons who populated the whole Earth afterwards.

7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man (and all his knowledge of the world), and beast (he knew), and the creeping thing (he knew), and the fowls of the air (he knew); for it repenteth me that I have made them.

 

This isn't a history thread. So it wasn't about historical facts. This is a relgion/philosophy thread. If he was interested in the historical facts it wouldn't be in this particular forum. So he brings in atheists, also not related to historical facts. So it was about atheists and their dispute against religions/christians.

The christian God, as pointed out according to the 'book', wiped out nearly then entire planet.

So stop being dishonest. Or the thread is OT and needs to be removed from this section of forum.

 

You left out the important part, that these killing were PUNISHMENTS for rebelling against a formal and legally set up government.
They were NOT murders.

 

Yes he did...
About 40 "days" ago... a "day" is a thousand years.

So, 40,000 years ago a great extinction of mankind took place only one species living them survived.

 

An egg fertilized last night is Not a baby, hence you premise is FALSE.

 

Inc likes to make up his own definitions once in a while. Then throws out the definition of words like they have some value. I guess now, according to inc, all words are just made up by some professional at some point. No sense having a dictionary for some folks.

 

So this isn't a religious or philosophy thread. It is a history thread with an attack on muslims thread.
Guess it needs to move to the proper forum.

 

Oh such a weak argument. How many threads on this section of the PF are focused on 'science'? Too many. OOOPs they should not be in ths thread, because such threads are not about philosophy or religion. In fact, yours is not even a good rationalization. So bad is your rationalizatin that the Moderators did not move the thread to another section of the PF.

So, again, in this thread dealing with historical facts, you continue your spiel about the 'Bible' so I am now convinced that you intend that the 'book' be taken as an actual historical document.

Dishonest? Please show where my comments have been dishonest... other than in your opinion.