The Handmaid's Tale

Discussion in 'Women's Rights' started by Chester_Murphy, Jan 14, 2018.

  1. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2013
    Messages:
    25,394
    Likes Received:
    8,172
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Awesome! :)

    You and your friends are free to condemn the United States as the most misogynistic country on the planet, but I disagree. As stated previously, the US has problems with gender equality, but it is among the most enlightened nations in the present time period. To ignore that fact and condemn the US while ignoring other nations, specifically Islamic treatment of women, is just political partisan blindness.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/muslim-children-are-being-spoonfed-misogyny-txw2r0lz6
    Thus man is definitely master of the woman”, states rule number one on the checklist for children in a book kept in the library at one Islamic school. It’s part of a shocking dossier of material uncovered by Ofsted inspectors on recent visits to faith-based institutions in both the private and state sector.
     
    Last edited: Jan 16, 2018
  2. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    56,891
    Likes Received:
    21,025
    Trophy Points:
    113

    Except that I didn't....that happened ONLY in your "vivid imagination".



    That's the crap " Women have it good in the US because other countries have it worse."

    To ignore that women have to worry about their rights in the US is just political partisan blindness.

    Just the legislation on abortion alone is enough to instigate worry about women's rights.






    To deny there are still people in the US who also believe "man is definitely master of the woman" is political partisan blindness...

    There was just a big dust-up about Ray Moore, a senator who didn't think women should hold public office....
     
  3. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2013
    Messages:
    25,394
    Likes Received:
    8,172
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I've never denied that fact and agree it's a problem. Got another straw man argument to post?

    I can Google some man-hater links for you if you want help.
     
    Last edited: Jan 16, 2018
  4. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    56,891
    Likes Received:
    21,025
    Trophy Points:
    113

    :) Thank you for acknowledging you lost the argument....
     
  5. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2013
    Messages:
    25,394
    Likes Received:
    8,172
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You are free to accept all the fanciful acknowledgements you like, <<MOD EDIT - Rule 2 - Removed diminutive insult>> - Lee S. Heck, why not give yourself both an Oscar and the Nobel Peace prize?

    Here's a link to give you ideas for your acceptance speeches:
    https://thoughtcatalog.com/jake-fil...eminists-that-will-make-you-rethink-feminism/
    I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them. Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor

    The nuclear family must be destroyed… Whatever its ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process. Linda Gordon

    I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig. Andrea Dworkin

    Since marriage constitutes slavery for women, it is clear that the women’s movement must concentrate on attacking this institution. Freedom for women cannot be won without the abolition of marriage. Sheila Cronin, the leader of the feminist organization NOW

    Marriage as an institution developed from rape as a practice. Andrea Dworkin
    The institution of sexual intercourse is anti-feminist. Ti-Grace Atkinson

    Rape is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear. Susan Brownmiller, Against Our Will p.6

    When a woman reaches orgasm with a man she is only collaborating with the patriarchal system, eroticizing her own oppression. Sheila Jeffrys

    Politically, I call it rape whenever a woman has sex and feels violated. Catherine MacKinnon

    The more famous and powerful I get the more power I have to hurt men. Sharon Stone

    Ninety-five percent of women’s experiences are about being a victim. Or about being an underdog, or having to survive… women didn’t go to Vietnam and blow things up. They are not Rambo. Jodie Foster, quoted in The New York Times Magazine

    The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race. Sally Miller Gearhart, in The Future – If There Is One – Is Female

    And if the professional rapist is to be separated from the average dominant heterosexual (male), it may be mainly a quantitative difference. Susan Griffin, Rape: The All-American Crime

    If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males. Mary Daly

    If anyone is prosecuted for filing a false report, then victims of real attacks will be less likely to report them. David Angier

    Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience.Catherine Comins

    As long as some men use physical force to subjugate females, all men need not. The knowledge that some men do suffices to threaten all women. He can beat or kill the woman he claims to love; he can rape women…he can sexually molest his daughters… THE VAST MAJORITY OF MEN IN THE WORLD DO ONE OR MORE OF THE ABOVE.Marilyn French

    I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He’s just incapable of it. Barbara Jordan, former Congresswoman

    Probably the only place where a man can feel really secure is in a maximum security prison, except for the imminent threat of release.Germaine Greer

    Man-hating is everywhere, but everywhere it is twisted and transformed, disguised, tranquilized, and qualified. It coexists, never peacefully, with the love, desire, respect, and need women also feel for men. Always man-hating is shadowed by its milder, more diplomatic and doubtful twin, ambivalence.Judith Levine

    Women have their faults / men have only two: / everything they say / everything they do.Popular Feminist Graffiti

    We are taught, encouraged, moulded by and lulled into accepting a range of false notions about the family. As a source of some of our most profound experiences, it continues to be such an integral part of our emotional lives that it appears beyond criticism. Yet hiding from the truth of family life leaves women and children vulnerable. Canadian Panel on Violence Against Women

    I do want to be able to explain to a 9-year-old boy in terms he will understand why I think it’s OK for girls to wear shirts that revel in their superiority over boys. Treena Shapiro
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Jan 16, 2018
  6. Chester_Murphy

    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2017
    Messages:
    7,503
    Likes Received:
    2,227
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I never counted them all, but it's not that uncommon to read a post about breeding in connection with housewives. Don't be mean.
     
  7. Chester_Murphy

    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2017
    Messages:
    7,503
    Likes Received:
    2,227
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Scary....plus, some of that, like having an orgasm with a man being derided, makes me think a lesbian wrote some of them. I can think of all the complaints about religion in the context of suppressing women's sex drives and shaming them. I sometimes think they took a page from that book.
     
  8. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    56,891
    Likes Received:
    21,025
    Trophy Points:
    113


    I didn't read the Off Topic silly rant but again I acknowledge your defeat with the use of the word "sweetie"...it shows your frustration :)
     
  9. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2016
    Messages:
    31,178
    Likes Received:
    28,672
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I could have just as easily started a thread and claimed the same about the Muppet Movie. Real? Or just dangerously close. With about the same effect. Obviously, satire doesn't play well with some.....
     
  10. Chester_Murphy

    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2017
    Messages:
    7,503
    Likes Received:
    2,227
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Satirical literature and productions are meant to make folks think. If you can't understand that, you may be in the wrong thread. Making folks think makes them consider their surroundings and compare them. When folks feel unsafe, they want to make changes to assure safety. It would be easy to compare some feminist rhetoric to this movie.
     
  11. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2013
    Messages:
    25,394
    Likes Received:
    8,172
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Excellent derail. You go, Girl!!!!

    [​IMG]
     
  12. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2013
    Messages:
    25,394
    Likes Received:
    8,172
    Trophy Points:
    113
    True, but OTOH consider this: what is popular in society reflects upon the mood and thinking of society. There are some who think Hollywood shapes society, but the reality is that society shapes Hollywood since Hollywood is a for-profit business and business follows the customer.
     
    Chester_Murphy likes this.
  13. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2013
    Messages:
    25,394
    Likes Received:
    8,172
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Dude, is there anyone who thinks you'd have responded differently to a white middle-class male who responded any other way? You certainly haven't with me no matter my comment. There are male-haters on this forum. Their choice. A choice I do not recommend since, like woman-haters, misogynists, racists or any other haters, it's not only wrong but detrimental to both a person's psyche and our national values.
     
    Chester_Murphy likes this.
  14. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2013
    Messages:
    25,394
    Likes Received:
    8,172
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I don't know, but some gay men certainly are misogynistic. By some accounts, many of them.
     
  15. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2013
    Messages:
    25,394
    Likes Received:
    8,172
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The basis for demeaning people is cultural. Sometimes it's custom, sometimes religion. It's the results that matter. Do we have people who demean women and think they are second class citizens? Yes, we do. Is that wrong? Yes, it is.

    Do we have people who think men are evil and should be eliminated, neutered or otherwise shackled? Yes, we do. This is done politically, physically or through means like censorship.
     
  16. Renee

    Renee Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2017
    Messages:
    14,640
    Likes Received:
    7,802
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    I thought fox was a woman
     
    Bowerbird likes this.
  17. Renee

    Renee Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2017
    Messages:
    14,640
    Likes Received:
    7,802
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    The difference is women don’t have the power....men do.
     
    Bowerbird likes this.
  18. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2013
    Messages:
    25,394
    Likes Received:
    8,172
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I don't know, but your genderism is telling.
     
  19. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2013
    Messages:
    25,394
    Likes Received:
    8,172
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Bullshit. As the series, and real life examples, prove, there are many types of power. Saying only men have power is a political falsehood conveying an untrue idea. People who think they don't have any power are people who have self-esteem issues.

    Example of different forms of power:
    truth-demotivational-poster-1239057843.jpg
     
    Last edited: Jan 16, 2018
  20. Renee

    Renee Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2017
    Messages:
    14,640
    Likes Received:
    7,802
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    I can’t argue with you if that’s what you really believe I bet you think it isn’t a white control power either
    Most of the power in this country is controlled by white men,,,,
     
    Bowerbird likes this.
  21. Renee

    Renee Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2017
    Messages:
    14,640
    Likes Received:
    7,802
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Then why did you assume s/he is a “dude”. I suggest you look up the word
     
    Bowerbird likes this.
  22. tkolter

    tkolter Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2012
    Messages:
    7,134
    Likes Received:
    598
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    And that's bad? How? If white men and men in general build and run things then they are clearly the most rational and fit to do so.

    As for the Handmaid's Tale series it would be interesting if the advanced nations have a cloning or similar breakthrough to have babies and the religious countries who shun that don't and suddenly Handmaids are literally outdated since say China, Japan and the EU nations and others opt for the tech option and might make in time a lot more children in breeding chambers or something.
     
  23. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2013
    Messages:
    25,394
    Likes Received:
    8,172
    Trophy Points:
    113
    LOL. Jesus might forgive snowflakes, hypocrites, atheists and liars, but I do not. Feel free to report me for it.

    What is lost on all the haters is that the United States, while a Republic, is based on democracy. Is it really a surprise that a country that is over 74% Euro-centric votes Euro-centrically? What disturbs the man-haters and uber-feminists is that our nation has more than 50% women yet it's mostly men in charge. Why is that? Is it because women can't vote? Nope. So why do feminists blame men for the low turnout of women voters? Are they like Trump and never accept personal responsibility? I think so.
     
  24. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2013
    Messages:
    25,394
    Likes Received:
    8,172
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Unsurprising this is a mystery to you.
     
  25. Renee

    Renee Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2017
    Messages:
    14,640
    Likes Received:
    7,802
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Why do gals like you say that?
     
    Bowerbird likes this.

Share This Page