The Manhattan DA’s Charges and Trump’s Defenses: A Detailed Preview

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  1. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    Adultery isn't a crime.
     
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    1 : to subject to postponement or suspension. ;esp. : to suspend the operation of (a judgment or order) by means of a supersedeas. 2 : to take the place of in authority. : preempt override.

    Tell me if Bragg can charge someone and declare them guilty of committing a federal crime then how about that they did so in France if that is what he needs to get a conviction on some other charge? That's how I heard former US Attorney Andrew McCarthy frame it the other day. There is no difference he has equal jurisdiction with both.

    To make this new legal process work he either has to try him on this federal charge, having no jurisdiction, or simply declare Trump is guilty of that violation. You're OK with either?
     
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    I get the impression that this may not be settled law and this is untested territory that this judge or higher judges may well set precedent on. But again, this is not strictly a campaign finance law. The issue is "promoting a campaign." That's not just finance. Had they instead threatened Daniels with physical violence to get her silence, the same law state law would apply (in addition to other charges that would be different). It's not a campaign finance law. It's more an integrity of elections law, like outlawing stealing ballots or intimidating people at polls.

    By the verbiage he used at least. Would love to see the actual law.
     
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    OH so now the FEC is broken and corrupt............................yeah that's the ticket

    It's called a wife. It's called public embarrassment, you know why people pay for NDA when they do things they would not like to become public.

    Remember when it was during Clinton's affairs all coming to light and those that wanted to bring them to light and hold him accountable were called "panty sniffers"?
     
  5. The Mello Guy

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    So don’t believe, believe the guy who admits he repaid that illegal contribution/expenditure.
     
  6. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    She should press charges if it’s true. Then I’ll lean toward taking her seriously.
    I don’t care if he cheats on melania, hell she probably appreciates it
     
  7. LiveUninhibited

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    He did allude to federal crimes, but the indictments seem more related to the business records fraud misdemeanors, which are state crimes, being upgraded to felonies because of some election law he alluded to. The election law says if you conspire to commit crimes to promote a campaign, it's a felony, apparently. Are federal elections excluded from being covered by this law? I am not sure. Not based upon campaign finance regulations, though.
     
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    Not his jurisdiction, but the crimes to hide it are
     
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    It think it has been entirely settled since 1971 and is quite clear. States have no authority or jurisdiction in the laws governing federal campaigns PERIOD. And you are left with WELL what if they had threatened VIOLENCE....................they didn't.

    What if one state passed a law saying that candidates for President of the United States cannot campaign until 30 days before election day and anyone who does will have a felony arrest warrant issued and face 20 years in prison?
     
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    The New York law about falsifying business records to hide a crime applies to New York laws, not Federal laws.
     
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    New York campaign laws don't apply to Federal campaigns.
     
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    If such a ridiculous law existed, I guess they couldn't campaign in that state until then.

    The violence example was just to show you this is not about campaign finance, which is what the 1971 law is about. And that law happens to have a supremacy clause like statement in it. So what.
     
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    If such a rediculous law existed, it would be overturned 5 minutes after the governor signed it.
     
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    How they're conducted in New York, sure they can. States even manage their own primaries for federal elections. Again, extremely dubious that state laws can never affect federal elections. But I'd be open to better evidence if you have it.
     
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    No, state law doesn't, in any way, apply to Federal campaigns.

    Elections and campaigns are two different animals. Trump isn't being accused of violating New York election laws.
     
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    The wife does not explain lying on business records or having Cohen pay. You think Melania is reviewing the trump org financials? Lmao you think they share a checking account?
     
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    If so, it’ll get tossed out. So stop worrying
     
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    That is not what Penal Code 175.10 says.
     
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    The judge and jury are biased. The judge will do whatever Soros tells him to do.
     
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    Post the text where 175.10 outlaws adultery.
     
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    Oh then he’s ****ed anyway
     
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    true, Bill Clinton is not in prison.
     
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    today I bashed Soros on a Trump bashing FB page. Some wokeflake (c) claimed I was anti semitic for bashing Soros and of course a racist for bashing Bragg. ITs hilarious how intellectually bankrupt the left has become
     
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    Fwightfully bwave of you........
     
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    Hmm, you are feeding a stereotype there, dude
     

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