The Manhattan DA’s Charges and Trump’s Defenses: A Detailed Preview

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  1. The Mello Guy

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    Is he still admitting that? Remember when he lied to us all and said he had no idea about it? Lol
     
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    Then it turns into an illegal campaign expenditure, since he didn’t declare it and tried to hide it with fraudulent business records
     
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    New York election laws don't apply to Federal elections (Congress and President).

    If Trump had been running for governor, Bragg might have a case.
     
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    You're et al are saying that Trump reimbursed Cohen and that's the law he broke.
     
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    It can't be a contribution on Cohen's part, if it's a campaign expenditure on Trump's part.

    Also, yet again, unless it violated Federal law, there's no crime. Even if it does violate Federal law, Bragg can't prosecute it.
     
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    Cohan pleaded guilty to violating campaign finance law and other offenses as part of a plea agreement with the U.S. attorney’s office in Manhattan.

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/how-michael-cohen-broke-campaign-finance-law
    He wasn't contributing to Trump's campaign. He was contributing to Stormy's. Even if you twist this pretzel you still can't say the funds came from the campaign funds when Trump is being charged with falsifying his business book entries. So perhaps Trump's business, not his campaign, was guilty of some shady business activities, but that has nothing to do with election laws.
     
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    The GOP in Kansas tried to get approval when the vote happened in a nonpresidential election year thinking a lower voter turnout would have it approved. It didn't work that way. Hence it is not what you claim about "rushing in."

    Again, life begins is not universal scientifically or religiously. Different religions, including Judiasm have different points of view. Hence another problem you have. I do know that this is the point of view of Evangelical Christians, but it is not all Christians.
     
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    All I'm saying is, Cohen can't make a contribution, if he was reimbursed for the money he gave Clifford. It's a contribution no more, at that point.
     
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    You do know that is an opinion. And opinions are just that, opinions, not facts. The indictment is now released, 34 counts, with substantial facts, stated in the indictment, a synopsis, if you wish. The legal question that arises is going to be put forth by the defense team. I think the vast majority, if not all, will be denied, and they will appeal, all the way to the state supreme court. The federal court will not get involved unless it is involves US Constitutional issues. And I don't see any right now.
     
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    Take it to any of a number of Abortion threads where I cited repeatedly from the medical textbooks and the science when that life begins.
     
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    You were the one who brought it up Blues.
     
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    Wasn’t illegal to reimburse
     
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    He’s not prosecuting it
     
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    Yea, I get your point. I'm just making a separate one that even if it's called a contribution, Stormy wasn't campaigning for anything to contribute to as it relates to exceeding campaign donations.
     
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    Nothing fantastic about it they were even trying to get him back in there with his wife and then hoping she would appoint him to the USSC. Remember he headlined their convention after he pled to multiple felonies.
     
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    Wait you don't believe the women?

    The Daniels thing happened 17 years ago and AFAIK Trump has been a faithfully married man. Does your forgiveness apply to all or is it selective?
     
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    No it wasn't. It wasn't given to the campaign nor taken from it. The FEC did not charge him with a violation for it because it did not qualify as a campaign contribution. Bragg has no jurisdiction to claim it was and declare Trump guilty of violating a federal law.
     
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    Other than the porn star he paid for silence and the model he had the enquirer pay, he’s been faithful! Lol
     
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    The FEC is broken and corrupt. Why go through all the hoops to hide it, if it wasn’t about the campaign?
     
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    What Cohen pled to has no bearing on anyone else. Cohen's legal problem was for HIS doing and was about how he reported it not that the NDA payment was made. He is a convicted perjurer in the matter and is not to be believed in a courtroom.
     
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    I don't think this is primarily about campaign finance. The state crime is conspiracy to commit a crime (any crime) to influence an election. Bragg mentioned a campaign finance issue as one of many crimes committed, but it's not central to the case.

    You could define preempt, I guess. Supercede is clear. But if there's no conflicting federal law, there is nothing superceding the state law. The text cited does not contradict the state law. The federal law does not, at least the part you cited, say that the state can make no laws at all regarding federal elections. Supercede means if there is a federal law that conflicts with state law, the federal law wins. States all makes their own ballots with both federal and state elections on it. So Bolton's claim that federal elections are fully separated from state laws seems dubious without more info to support that. And if it were so obvious, I don't think Bragg would have brought it like this.
     
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    And other than the woman Biden assaulted.......................

    How long does it take before you bestow your forgiveness?
     
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    And the law is not just about the financing part. Supersede and PREEMPT. States manage the mechanics of how they choose their electors but the campaigning is a FEDERAL matter. Heck there doesn't even have to be an election in your state there is no requirement in the Constitution that the state electors be elected by the people of that state that's up to the state legislature. But since 1971 the rules for campaigns, the financing of those campaign all come under FEDERAL LAW. Trump has not been convicted in a federal court of a crime associated with this, he has not even been charged. And even if he had it is questionable that the New York state law means another STATE law not a federal law over which a local DA or the state has no jurisdiction.
     
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    I think they are forgetting Marla Maples in which Tiffany Trump was technically born out of wedlock. When they married, Marla already has given birth mostly because Trump did not want a pregnant woman of 6 or 7 months when she walked down that aisle.

    I think all in told, Trump has had some 30-plus affairs that we know about.
     
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    You said it's an illegal campaign expenditure.
     

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