The more the gun nuts fight the assualt weapons ban, the more attention it gets

Yes, stalking me will prove that you aren't a stalker. Have fun with that.

 

No intention to stalk you tomfool, it's not worth it. I'm just interested in what made you angry. And there's 11,000 posts to find it!

 

By law the government is supposed to prosecute felons that try to buy weapons. It does prosecute some but very few. Why make more laws if the current ones are not being followed. For instance, since 68 it is law that States have to add the mentally ill to the NICS check list but few have. That might have stopped Loughner and Cho from legally purchasing guns. Why pass new laws that will do nothing to stop any of the shootings that are so popular on the news? Is that logical or even sane?

 

What is an 'assault' weapon?

 

You have to pass a bill to define one. Since there is no bill, there is no such thing as an assault weapon.

 

Lying on a background check form is technically a felony, though it's rarely prosecuted. Personally, I think they should go after those people, because I'd bet a dollar to a hole in a doughnut they eventually get a gun through a straw buyer.

 

But all it does in the real world is move buyers from the gun store to the unregulated market...as the vast majority of guns used in crime are stolen weapons, regulating the law abiding seems silly

 

I am certainly not arguing with your position here, but I think that it lends false hope to people who desire to ban weapons.
At last count 100+ million Americans are legal gun owners, and that is a little under a third of the population.

Once you consider the fact that they are armed, and know how to use the weapons ... the question of whether or not a ban would be effective doesn't really exist within the realm of politics.

 

No argument here. An all-out gun ban would be political suicide, and enforcing it would effectively be suicide in a literal sense.

 

Yup...According to the Justice Dept, 37% of the guns used in crimes were either stolen by the user of were stolen guns acquired by the user.

http://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/GUIC.PDF

The rate for juveniles is a good bit higher.

According to a 90's survey of inmates by the FBI, only 2% came from a gun show and only 12% from a legal sale at a gun store..80% came from 'family, friends, a street buy, or an illegal source'...

http://www.buyagunday.net/2009/sources-of-guns-used-in-crimes-fbi-report/

making closing the evil 'gun show loophole' a panacea designed simply to annoy gun owners and to give grabbers a warm tingle down the leg.

 

I can agree with you on the "gun nuts" bit, after that we part. The gun nuts are nuts because they believe in following every little bitty rule to the T .They don't have a clue as to the worse than Mad Max scenario that is coming.The US is a goner, and I love it. Obama now works for me. The more money he throws away, the happier I am. He is much more effective than Tim Mc Veigh.

 

Most of the victims live in progressive cities like Chicago where the gun control is already ridiculously authoritarian. In Illinois, you need to apply for a licence to own a firearm. The state issues you a government ID. You cannot own a firearm legally otherwise. Yet Chicago is blowing up as always with gun violence, where handguns have been banned for decades. Government bans aren't magic. They don't actually address the underlying cause of gun crime, which is poverty and ignorance for the most part. Passing more laws won't fix the broken people. That is just a foolish and emotional knee-jerk reaction, typical of gun-grabbers...

 

Worse than Mad Max? I don't think so. Having our dollar collapse and letting the parasitic financial sector go with it would be the best thing to happen to the US in hundreds of years!!! After we had an irrational spasm, people would look around and realize that life still exists and that the land is still arable and the water still fresh. Who needs a dollar when you have a hunting rifle? Self-sufficiency is a mindset and people will be FORCED to reattain it through a massive liquidation of central government. Will some bad stuff happen in the interim? Almost certainly, but it would be contained mostly to densely populated urban areas, and would equilibriate relatively quickly as market-based currencies filled the void left by the dollar. The urban areas would descend into martial law while the outlying areas buckle down. Eventually, the free economy in the outlying areas would incrementally incorporate the the urban centers back into the fold, and the martial presence will be relaxed. At least, that's how I see the hypothetical currency collapse playing out.

 

Your point is well-made!

With all the people dying, only a fool will imagine that laws will NOT be changed significantly. And the American people WILL demand we find a solution.

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Public opinion can be changed.

That affects who can/will be voted-in over time.

 

Exactly. The nation's policies and culture WILL change... despite the foolish notion that those things can be suspended in time.

 

I began to realize about 6 years ago, that the GOP was marginalizing itself via extremism; now, I sleep better at night.

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You are so correct, I'm smiling at your every post.

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Are you paying attention to public opinion, at all?

 

Sadly, the troubles will 'migrate'; it is just a matter of time.

 

However you wish to label what certain weapons can do... I'm NOT backing down from the REALITY that most civilians only need very limited firepower.

 

You got an opinion and I have plenty of firearms ... so let's see who can make who do what ... I'm in.

 

It's not about (just) you; it is about this nation.

The compromises made will affect all; not just you.

 

It is correct the compromises will affect everyone ... My point is that you are obviously not aware of how it is going to affect you.
What the nation thinks doesn't matter unless they can back it up, and gun owners are a step closer to that position.

Now I am not some crazy fool that goes around saying junk like "you will pry my gun from my cold dead fingers".
I have thought about what will happen If the government attempts an outright ban on firearms though.

What do you think is going to happen when a government official guns down an 80 year old man in his driveway because he won't give up the M1-Garand he has hunted with since he was 10?
It isn't going to be pretty, and then what will happen is probably not what you would imagine.
There are folks like me who have been in the military, and know what we are doing.
One more won't send me to hell any quicker.

At that point ... Your opinion doesn't mean jack.