The real reason republicans want voter ID

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    For over 200 years, voter ID wasn't a requirement to vote. Now, all of the sudden, in the last several years, Republicans are making laws requiring voter ID. So, it begs the question, since it never was a never an issue for over 200 hundreds. why are they harping about it now?

    Well, as it turns out, Republicans know that it tends to shrink the number of likely democrats voting, and in many instances, it could be just enough to win a district, so the more, the merrier. They know that voter ID is a problem for less an ambulatory elderly who, for some 70 years of their 88 years on earth, never had to get an id, they don't drive, they take the bus, etc., and getting an ID is not so easy for some folks, especially when their birth certs are difficult to obtain, and it becomes a problem for Students in colleges whose ID is from another state. Most of this particular demographic are likely democrat votes, and republicans know this.

    But why are they doing this now, they never did it during most of the 200 years in history?

    Why? Because they haven't won the popular vote in years. THAT is why.

    Now, I'm not making this up, here are some republican operatives ADMITTING their real reason for voter ID.



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    Oh for crying out loud....showing ID to vote has been the law for decades in many if not most states. This isnt a new thing.

    States that do not require ID are the exception...not the rule.

    They can convince you of damn near anything cant they?
     
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  3. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    So, out of 250 years, only since 2002 (at the federal level), when repubs started losing the popular vote, has voter ID been a thing.

    You just confirmed my premise....

    Nor did you refute the admissions given in the VIDEO.
     
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    I am less concerned with the ID requirements than the arbitrary rules designed to make lines longer and as miserable as possible in larger (read Democratic) cities. That in addition to random voter purges not based on death or relocation plus allowing Republican constituents the ability to easily vote absentee while making it very difficult for others and it is very apparent what they are doing.

    Anyone that says it is in the name of securing an election is either a fool or a liar — likely both.
    How any self respecting person can support what Republicans are doing politically is unknown.
     
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    Nonsense. Voter ID has been around decades longer than that. The practice was around in some states as least as far back as the 70's
     
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    people had integrity back them and of character... the corruption within democratic party is a threat to Country. Decades ago, Democrats actually were on the side of the law, wanting border security, standing against illegal immigration. Decades ago, democrats supported law enforcement, now they entertain idea of even defunding police.

    This is a dereliction of duty, border security and standing with law enforcement should be the #1 priority of all politicians, nothing else matters when there is no security. This country breaks down into a million pieces without law enforcement or security.

    It is unfathomable why anyone would be against voter ID. We need to have Id to get alcohol, cigarettes... but not to vote? Incredible... this shouldn’t even be a conversation

    And i still have not heard or read a logical explanation as to why requiring voter ID discriminates against people based on color of their skin. There are more white poor uneducated white trump supporters ( the rural red necks, mountain people who you all think are dumb) than poor uneducated non-white democrat supporters. Why can the white uneducated voters figure out a way to get an ID but the non-white poor uneducated can’t? Are you and the democrats implying non-whites are just genetically inferior mentally? It seems this what you believe?
     
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  8. Patricio Da Silva

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    I prefaced it at the federal level.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    What are you talking about? The facts are that the corruption is happening within the GOP, and the hard stats prove it

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    I neither support nor oppose voter ID. I think it could at a minimum increase confidence in elections, but there isn't a big enough problem with voter fraud to change the outcome of Presidential elections.

    I am certainly opposed to HR1, however.
     
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    There are elements of HR1 that are good, they need to pare it down to just voting rights and ballot access, etc.
     
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    I see you avoided the tough question.

    Could you please explain to me why all the poor uneducated white rural rednecks and mountain people (the dumb trump supporters you guys make fun of) can find a way to get voter ID but non-white uneducated can’t? Are you implying that non-whites have mental limitations and thus at a disadvantage? You really have some explaining to do.
     
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    And in many states with voter ID laws African American turnout is at record highs. So much for the OP!
     
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    They do have problems in rural areas, who said they didn't? Where you get off making **** up with 'rural rednecks'? Did I mention this?

    No. Per the ACLU's website:

    Voter ID Laws Deprive Many Americans of the Right to Vote
    • Millions of Americans Lack ID. 11% of U.S. citizens – or more than 21 million Americans – do not have government-issued photo identification.1
    • Obtaining ID Costs Money. Even if ID is offered for free, voters must incur numerous costs (such as paying for birth certificates) to apply for a government-issued ID.
      • Underlying documents required to obtain ID cost money, a significant expense for lower-income Americans. The combined cost of document fees, travel expenses and waiting time are estimated to range from $75 to $175.2
      • The travel required is often a major burden on people with disabilities, the elderly, or those in rural areas without access to a car or public transportation. In Texas, some people in rural areas must travel approximately 170 miles to reach the nearest ID office.3
    • Voter ID Laws Reduce Voter Turnout. A 2014 GAO study found that strict photo ID laws reduce turnout by 2-3 percentage points,4 which can translate into tens of thousands of votes lost in a single state.5
    Voter ID Laws Are Discriminatory
    • Minority voters disproportionately lack ID. Nationally, up to 25% of African-American citizens of voting age lack government-issued photo ID, compared to only 8% of whites [ okay, see? Your rural whites do have this problem, it's just that it's disproportional with blacks ]
    • States exclude forms of ID in a discriminatory manner. Texas allows concealed weapons permits for voting, but does not accept student ID cards. Until its voter ID law was struck down, North Carolina prohibited public assistance IDs and state employee ID cards, which are disproportionately held by Black voters. And until recently, Wisconsin permitted active duty military ID cards, but prohibited Veterans Affairs ID cards for voting.
    • Voter ID laws are enforced in a discriminatory manner. A Caltech/MIT study found that minority voters are more frequently questioned about ID than are white voters.7
    • Voter ID laws reduce turnout among minority voters. Several studies, including a 2014 GAO study, have found that photo ID laws have a particularly depressive effect on turnout among racial minorities and other vulnerable groups, worsening the participation gap between voters of color and whites.8
    Voter ID Requirements are a Solution in Search of a Problem
    • In-person fraud is vanishingly rare. A recent study found that, since 2000, there were only 31 credible allegations of voter impersonation – the only type of fraud that photo IDs could prevent – during a period of time in which over 1 billion ballots were cast.9
    • Identified instances of “fraud” are honest mistakes. So-called cases of in-person impersonation voter “fraud” are almost always the product of an elections worker or a voter making an honest mistake, and that even these mistakes are extremely infrequent.10
    • Voter ID laws are a waste of taxpayer dollars. States incur sizeable costs when implementing voter ID laws, including the cost of educating the public, training poll workers, and providing IDs to voters.
      • Texas spent nearly $2 million on voter education and outreach efforts following passage of its Voter ID law.11
      • Indiana spent over $10 million to produce free ID cards between 2007 and 2010.12
     
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    Because of the increase in voter fraud. Our state has had voter ID for decades.
     
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    Except there's no increase.
     
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    I'm not surprised that is your opinion.
     
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    Lets play the whining leftist victimhood game again, shall we? Cry me a river! Get a friggin life!
     
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    Boosting confidence in elections. That's what Repubs cite as their reason for suppressive voter laws. Why is confidence an issue? Not because there is a problem with voter fraud. Because of years of baseless accusations of voter fraud by Repubs.
     
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    By this metric, having to produce an ID and go through a background check to buy a gun is discriminatory. Both are fundamental rights as laid out within the constitution and affirmed by the courts but yet there is a double standard.
     
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    It's generally a good idea to provide a link to things that you are quoting.
     
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    What puzzles me is the dems claiming a voter ID is hard to get for some people. Especially blacks, the poor, and other minorities. Why is that? They never explain. I say if you can figure out how to get to the polls, or how to get a write-in ballot, or how to get an absentee ballot, then you are capable of obtaining a voter ID. No excuses excepted. We need to make voting easy but we also need to make voting honest.
     
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    There is no such thing as a federal election. There are 50 separate state elections.
     
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    And Democrats.
     
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    Somehow the left thinks minorities are less capable than whites, that democrats are less capable than republicans. Funny stuff when you use your actual brain cells to think about it.
     
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