The Russians lied and lied and lied but evidence proved they were guilty. MH-17.

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  1. UntilNextTime

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    Ukrainian anti-air took out MH17. So as to trigger the sentiment most have with Russia now, hatred.

    Why was MH17 flying through a war zone where 10 aircraft have been shot down?
     
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    Yep, covered in the trial. Russian Army only and never exported. There is a recording of the SAM unit reporting that they shot down MH17 so Russia knew they had shot it down from the very beginning. The lying and denying was all just fabricated nonsense to try to get out of paying for their crimes. Russia always lies and should never be trusted.
     
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    Russia knew??? Really? Russia has acknowledged their involvement in the shootdown?
     
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    The Russians bragged to the Russian superiors about the shootdown.
     
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    Of course Russia knows it’s people and pro Russia traitor scum shot down the Dutch airliner. Ukraine turned over I intercepted cell phone communications and turned those over to international investigators which have proven that fact.

    Russia never willingly acknowledges its involvement in crimes. The Katyn Forrest massacre of 1939-40 was not acknowledged by Russia until @1988-9 by Mickey Gorbashov.
     
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    Here is a little aviation trivia regarding MH17.

    When it departed Schipol airport in the Netherlands, it was assigned its requested altitude, 34000 feet and its requested/filed routing.

    When it eventually entered Ukrainian airspace its altitude was changed to a lower altitude, I think 32000 feet, and I'm pretty sure its routing was also changed in minor ways. Both those changes put it in harms way.

    The Spaniard working for Ukrainian ATC detailed that and other information on social media, but he was disappeared soon after.
     
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    The US never willingly acknowledged it crimes at Abu Ghraib until whistleblowers forced the issue. The US never acknowledged its many crimes in Iraq until Bradley Manning and Julian Assange released the Collateral Damage video and audio.
     
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    Unintentional collateral damage is not a crime. Intentionally targeting civilian infrastructure sure as hell is.
     
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    You didn't listen to the audio, and you probably never watched the video either. I've done both, multiple times.

    Having spent my share of time on US Army helicopters plugged into the intercom, I found the audio exchanges between the gunship and its HQ to be disgustingly real and typical.
     
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    And the majority fell for the official narrative, the LSM propaganda machine worked the minds well of those who don't question anything.
     
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    Here's another MH flight, MH317. It didn't do all these crazy fight paths and ditch in the Indian ocean. It landed in Diego Garcia with all of the engineers who were the ones who created a very unique military-grade semiconductor and were joint patent holders. They worked for Freescale semiconductors. Who owns Freescale? The family name starts with R.
     
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    Not proving that the shootdown was a plan by the Russian government.:roll:
     
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    Oh, I get it, Russia is sooooo bad they must've been involved.:roflol:
     
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    Doesn't matter. Russians shot it down and therefore are guilty. Russian government tried to cover up and therefore is guilty.
     
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    Since J. Rosenberg was a member of the US Army in 1950 when he passed nuclear secrets to Russia, America was guilty of passing nuclear secrets when Rosenberg passed nuclear secrets to Russia?:roll:
     
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    Nope. Rosenberg was prosecuted by the US government. Russian murderers were protected by the Russian government.
     
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    Inappropriate analogy to the discussion. You can't prove that Russian soldiers and Russian higher-ups who lauded the plane shootdown proves Russian gov't involvement in the shootdown but you continue to imply the Russian gov't was involved in the shootdown...Because it fits your narrative that the Putin-led Russian gov't is evil.
     
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    Doesn't matter. The Russian murderers bragged to their Russian superiors, and those superiors protected the murderers. Case closed.
     
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    Yes. Case closed. You think the Putin-led Russian gov't is evil and should be destroyed.:roll:
     
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    The evidence is the evidence.
     
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    Russia and Russians fired a Russian missile therefore they behaved badly. The definition of bad entities is those who behave badly. That is a universal truism. You know I am correct so your job is to accept the truth that Russian and Russians behaved badly and continue to behave badly. That is the truth ‘to yeh Pravda’.
     
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    Your prejudice is your prejudice.
     
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    Except you have no proof that the Russian gov't was involved in the shootdown of the plane.
     
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    You are correct. I'm prejudiced against tyranny.
     
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    You're, rather, judge, jury and executioner against what you consider tyranny.:roll:
     

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