The state is now buying guns for Teachers

In my 44 years as a teacher we never has to assimilate such a notion.
My training concentrated on the complex and difficult nature of education.

 

there are lots of people who smoke who never had to deal with cancer protocols either

 

of course there is no obligation. those who are afraid of guns or culturally revile gun ownership should not have them

 

it's a volunteer issue.

 

I am only trying to understand your position so I can reply. Do you support ones right to bear arms or not?

 

There may also be a right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Some rights can lean into or even impinge on others wouldn't you say?

The definition of 'arms' would also need looking at? Like any arms? Elon Musk has Nuclear Weapons? Or schools with tanks? Or whatever?

 

How about the arms we are discussing here today. A common pistol or ranch rifle. Would you ban these?

 

Pistols and ranch rifles are not common.
Certainly not common in an educational space occupied by 30 six year olds and one adult teacher.

 

.......and according to you, thus putting the kids in their classroom in danger.

Mate, you can't have it both ways.

The teachers who take the guns are, you say, doing their duty ~ protecting the kids, those who don't take the gun fail, you say, in their duty to protect the kids.

 

I can easily envisage a scenario where if there was a terrible school shooting incident, the teacher could be sued by grieving parents for not shooting the perpetrator.
Or maybe the school or education authority would be sued, which would create a situation where the employer insists on armed, trained and topped up teachers being hired in order to cover their backs.
We haven’t even got round to midwives being armed to the teeth in the delivery room or maternity ward.
Conflating a main job with being a security guard is one of the most stupid aspects of the American gun/death loving culture.
Yet it is reportedly a mainly Christian country.

 

All I asked is if you oppose private ownership of these bearable arms.

What about those that love their children and believe they should have the same level of protection as politicians?

 

it's easy to understand-those afraid of using guns won't be having them in a classroom

 

when you see an easy to answer question evaded, the answer is obvious

 

I don't understand why people avoid taking a position. Its just a forum!

 

well I have long maintained that many anti gun activists or advocates present facades rather than their real reasons for wanting to ban guns

 

I have concentrated on the notion of teachers having guns in the classroom, and it being seen as a necessary part of their job.
Those who don’t focus on that are the evasive people.

 

I will address the issue directly. Teachers are good people. Killers are bad people. Guns in the hands of good people do no harm. Why should bad people be the only ones with guns?

 

And you can't foresee that in litigious USA some teacher is going to be sued because he WAS NOT ARMED to protect a child?

 

They think every teacher, by carrying a gun, is now some Rambo with syllabus.

AGAIN, teachers are not, and should not be trained as armed guards, along with teaching our children. The idea that because you hand someone a gun that they are now a “protector”. We (re:Conservatives) are cutting public school budgets year after year, and now they want to increase them to buy guns (not raise salaries) for people who are ill equipped psychologically, or that chose the teaching profession instead of police or military training, to now be expected to put themselves in the line of fire with a gun that someone is forcing them to carry.

This is just NUTS !!!!

 

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I have long noted that many fans of gun bans are people who see everyone else as the same as they are. Example, years ago, the Cincinnati Chief of Police was an anti gun POS. He was irrationally opposed to Ohio passing a CCW bill where citizens-after passing a marksmanship and written test and 12 hours of instruction-could carry handguns. The retired chief firearms instructor noted to us that the chief needed a "waiver" because he couldn't pass the shooting test. The CFI noted that the chief was against others carrying guns because he projected his own incompetence onto others. IN my almost 50 years of dealing with anti gun advocates, I have come to learn that many gun banners are pushing for laws to control people JUST as they are.

 

many gun banners see criminals as the victims of an "unjust" and "racist" society and these gun banners think it is UNFAIR for a criminal to be shot by and intended victim. If you don't believe me-you can google a story where the mother of some mope was upset that the pizza delivery guy her odious offspring tried to mug had a gun and shot the scumbag. She said it was UNFAIR that the pizza guy was as well armed as her felonious child and apparently more competent in using firearms since he won and the robber lost

 

Who is forcing them to carry?

 

Inevitable public expectation.

The next time there is a school mass shooting, you watch, the cry will come, "Why didn't the teachers have guns, they should have had guns, it's their fault the kids were slaughtered! I'm gonna sue them and the Education Department!"

 

Who said I was a “gun banner”…..

I dont think guns have any place in a school unless they are being held by TRAINED officers of the law