The state is now buying guns for Teachers

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  1. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    it seems to be that you think anyone and anything that supports gun owners and their rights is "disgraced"

    can you actually rebut that argument?
     
  2. Bush Lawyer

    Bush Lawyer Well-Known Member

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    No, I say that the Executive of the NRA is now disgraced as is the NRA now disgraced. How can you disagree with that given recent exposed criminal conduct?
     
  3. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    well the head of your beloved Democrat party is disgraced. does that mean the entire party is disgraced? No. I was bashing Wayne LaPierre long before any of the anti gun extremists were. I thought he was a pimp and an ineffective debater. How does that disgrace the 5 or so million members?
     
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    Turtledude, really! The Democratic Party is not beloved by me and neither is its Leader. Biden has never been charged with any criminal conduct and has never been found to be a rapist*, a swindler* and bordering on pathological*.

    I have never said that the ordinary Members of the NRA are disgraced, although I could argue that at least they were naive handing over their cash to a thieving organisation and executive. I do say that the NRA is disgraced as is its executive, and that is undeniable given recent criminal charges etc.

    Just accept the facts. There is no point trying diversions with me. I am a very focussed person, terrier with a bone if you like, and I choose my language selectively and hopefully, accurately.

    *Humpty
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  5. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    tell me why should I support someone who wants to jack up my taxes, ban the guns I own, support all sorts of groups that see white males as their enemy even if he isn't as big a scumbag (in your mind) as the guy who doesn't want to ban my guns, raise my taxes or elevate convicted robbers like George Floyd to sainthood

    the cult of personality that the left is so enamored with is MEANINGLESS TO ME. I'd vote for a rabid wolverine who has a good set of policies and will appoint good judges over some guy I'd pick as my best man if he is a socialist or gun banner or tax hiker.
     
  6. Bush Lawyer

    Bush Lawyer Well-Known Member

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    And there we have it, the very essence of what is so wrong at the very core of the USA. What is 'good policy' is always up for grabs at a political level, but the concept of 'appointment of good judges' is what is eating at the very essence of what is right and wrong. Judges who are purely political appointments are never ever ever ever ever ever ad infinitum anything other than a cancer of the national pancreas.

    A Judicial System MUST be above and immune from everything political.
     
  7. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    I tire of people pretending that their values should be ones that the rest of adopt, even if they really have nothing to do with our country. I reject your views on judges and I see you didn't really answer my question. Claiming a judicial system must be immune from everything political is so removed from reality that I find it to be humorous
     
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    They can watch p****** all they want if they are of age. Seems to piss off the left that people are taking measures to prevent children from consuming pornography.
     
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  9. Bush Lawyer

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    So, why do you object to measures which to prevent children from consuming lead?
     
  10. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    English please. We long ago removed the lead from paint and we warned children not to eat paint.
     
  11. Bush Lawyer

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    Okay, English it is.

     
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    I imagine you think you have some point. Ammunition is not for sale to minors
     
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    No it's not but those who force kids to lethally consume lead can get easy access to the lead.
     
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    Make sure you keep your shotgun locked in a safe and keep your ammunition locked in a separate safe. You must make sure to assure the safety of the children
     
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    Your search for validation might well be supported by the hard of thinking.
    You use the terms ‘freedom’ and ‘free’ but are unable to define what those terms mean.
     
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    If the ability to level Petty insults could somehow validate your argument, you might actually have a point..... But as it is, all you have are insults to sling.
     
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    Really?
    It is yourself and others who bang on about freedom but are unable to define what that means.
    I have suggested it can only be defined in terms of restrictions (which can involve gun control measures, other laws, or the compulsion to drive on a particular side of the road and so on). You only have the mental capacity to reject that notion, but not the mental capacity to define ‘freedom’.
    If pointing out the vacuum in your thinking and logic is a petty insult that is your problem, my invitation to you to actually think is actually helpful if you had the capacity to understand that.
     
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    freedom means the absence of governmental interference with objectively harmless actions
     
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    I suspect this is more likely to lead to accidental shootings than preventing intentional ones.

    The better (but far from perfect) answer is to make it harder for people with mental illness to purchase guns. Particularly mental illnesses that are correlated with violence. But the reason this solution is far from perfect is that it will inevitably result in blocking sales to people who are not a threat to themselves or others.
     
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    We got there in the end. Freedom is indeed defined by restrictions, as in 'governmental interference'.
     
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    " If you don't agree with me then you can't think. "

    :rolleyes:

    I guess it doesn't occur to you that you're not worth the time engaging with such stupid little insults.

    "Freedumb comes from government restrictions"..... Sounds like progressive "thinking" to me
     
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    By all means don't engage.
     
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    I think this is leading to a false sense of security. Iowa legislators have their priorities so far out of wack it’s amazing.

    We just gave millions to private schools, at the expense of the public schools, our legislature voted to deny our ELECTED state auditor access to financials for bills going thru the the legislature, and now were putting guns IN schools……

    The right in this country has lost the GD minds
     
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    Freedom can be defined without restrictions. Restrictions are the default position of big government statists. Freedom is my default position. Don't believe me-look at any thread about the second amendment. Most of the gun banners constantly spew the DICTA from Heller about the second amendment having "limits".
     
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    Maybe you can help yourself by researching what the famous French philosopher Rousseau said about the concept of freedom.
    Freedom can be defined as the default position of every newborn baby, but life then comes with restrictions to that free will. For example if a person wants to be free to sexually assault anybody they like, they will find that freedom restricted, or has consequences.
    It sounds kind of wonderful to go on about having freedom, but freedom does not actually exist.
     
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