The Tide has Turned

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Will Blue be sent to the woodshed in the mid terms

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  1. ToughTalk

    ToughTalk Well-Known Member

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    Without explaining why you really haven't said anything at all.

    You could have just called me ugly and it would have had the same effect. Sad that I had to explain such a simple concept to an intellectual

    thanks for playing
     
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  2. truth and justice

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    What nasty side effects from the vax? I had no side effects.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You Trolling or Pretending :)
     
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    N95 masks work just fine according to the CDC. Cloth masks don’t.
     
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    1. Not strawman. Pointing out you trust some government data but not others? That’s cognitive dissonance. You can trust government data. For the most part. Are there issues? Sure but nothing to think there’s a conspiracy over.

    2. Doesn’t take a genius to figure out which variant a person died from. What we know is that if a person rests positive for that variant, and then they die, that they probably died from that variant. This is virology. It’s not an exact science all the time.
     
  6. ToughTalk

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    If they worked "just fine" then how the hell did Omicron do whatever the hell it wanted?
     
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    Because people didn’t wear their masks at major, larger gatherings… like Christmas and New Years. Then they gave it to kids who are an unvaccinated vector.
     
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    lol no. N95 only work if the seal around your face is sound, you dont infect yourself by rubbing your eyes. You are taking great care to never take it off. Shift it. Get your phone infected...place your phone to your face. yadda yadda yadda.

    If you can smell something while wearing an N95...yup! Then covid particles can make it to your nose as well.
     
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    So what you’re saying is needed is… hand sanitizier? And remember, good enough is what matters. You don’t need to go further than that. Besides, I can’t smell wearing an N95 mask.
     
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    Is what I said isn't it ?
     
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    Not all masks are made the same.
     
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    No, not trolling. You stated that you had covid and it was very mild. Just because it was very mild for you does not mean that it is very mild for everyone. The vaccine has side effects to some people but very mild if any side effects to most people. Hundreds of thousands of people have died from Covid and the vaccine has been shown to reduce the probability of hospitalisation and deaths.
     
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    The virus is thousands of times bigger than any molecules that smell.
     
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    If even the police have no obligation to protect you, per the courts, then what in the world makes you think you have a right, or even power, to make me protect you?
     
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    Which is what I said .. and illustrated the difference .
     
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    Government needs to get out of medicine entirely.
     
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    Good that you were not Trolling .. and I mentioned a number of people who got it .. and in fact ... word on the street - and in the Scientific Data .. is that Omicron is very mild .. turns out not much worse than average flue.

    The folks that died did not die from Omicron sans a few .. most from Delta and before .. and the "Reduces Hospitalization and Deaths" claim is one of the biggest false narratives going.

    Reduces harm for WHO .. Everyone .. or just a certain group .... nodding head .. but what about other - those without comorbidity/immune/pneumonia compromized.. (Group B)

    They been lying to you mate .. Time to find out "The Truth" and seek Justice.

    As for those not in Group B the risk of harm/death from the vax is far higher than the risk of harm from Omicron .. and in fact it was higher with Delta ..

    Fallacious use of statistics been broadcast far and wide... but now you know "The Rest of the Story" :p
     
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    You mean like how do we solve the collective action problem?
     
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    You have yet to give any Gov't Data .. Just naked claims .. and preposterous one's at that

    The Data .. tells us that Omicron is very mild .. How many deaths of healthy males 16-29 from "Omicron" .. how many ICU Visits .. You have presented nothing but hot air thus far.

    For males in above age group.. risk of myocarditis from the Vax is 1 in 10,000 "Conservatively" some data shows far lower.

    What is the risk of nasty outcome from Delta for this group .. never mind "Omicron"

    US data is laughably bad .. even Fauci admits this ... not some secret - Which is why we use data from many places in the world.. If you want to call Fauci and the CDC conspiracy nuts .. you may be on to something .. but not about stating the data is bad... You have no clue what you are talking about mate .. but there is hope ..

    Now giddy-up and find me the death rate and the severe outcome "ICU" for 16-29 males (or thereabouts ..something in this age group) even US data would be fine but good luck finding any .. Perhaps we have done a study or two as other nations have .. I would hope so .. but do not restrict yourself to the US .. just something other than hot air.

    Tell me what the risk of Death and/or severe outcome "ICU" from Delta or Omicron for healthy male - 16-29
     
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    What I'm saying is the current mask measures were not adequate.

    Because we do not live in a controlled environment that's filtered and germ free to begin with like a surgical room.
     
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    I just rechecked this, actually I was wrong scent particles are smaller, less complex.
     
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    Are you serious, bro?
     
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    It peaks and valleys. Again, this isn't that hard. Any regular media source will have the daily death totals. asking for proof of this is similar to asking me if water is wet or if the sky is blue.

    In short, yes. The Pope does wear a funny hat.

    Your self inflicted title of "gifted one" doesn't seem accurate at this time.
     
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    This is the big boys room .. where naked claims from the peanut gallery doesn't - Your claim that the rate of death from Omicron is 2500/day .. on an annualized basis .. is preposterous nonsense .. The claim that Delta was that high is nonsense ..

    Basic math should tell you this .. 2500/day x 365 days .. = 900,000 per year ... double the annual rate at which Delta-Alpha was killing people . Someone has been pulling your chain .. And do remember that only a moron would tell you to use a rate for one day .. as the annualized rate.
     
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    Why would you use a daily death total for comparison of an annual rate .. and what I stated that was inaccurate.

    You are the one who can't seem to support your nonsense 2500/day claim .. never mind have any clue what kind of info one needs to calculate the death rate .. despite it being relatively straightforward statistics.

    Do you not understand that you don't use a daily rate to compare death rates ? This is basic stuff mate .. don't be projecting your lack of ability to support your claims on me.
     
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