THE UKRAINIAN ARMY HAS BEEN DEFEATED. WHAT’S LEFT IS MOP-UP

Well, if you are only looking at CNN, FOX or some other Western Media, then that is probably why. I have read reports from citizens in the streets complaining about Ukrainian Soldiers killing unarmed Russians. Ukrainians and the Russians are very much alike and have great hatred for each other. If you truly think that the Ukrainians are not committing atrocities, then you may be living in a very filtered bubble. Heck, the UN is investigating Ukrainian war crimes. That should tell you something. Of course, all that pales in comparison to the crimes the Russians are committing which is by far worse.

 

Possible leaked phone call between Russian elites...



Obviously those in the call are deny it's authenticity. But you'll know the validity of the video if all those involved end up getting attacked by 10 storey windows in the future. Publicly, it serves Russia no interest in acknowledging the call as it would instantly give it credibility.

However...if I were part of this call, I would be high tailing it out of Russia asap.

 

Nah man I don't use MSM. There is all kinds of **** everywhere. There are also threads like this and people like you making claims. Show me something. Prove your claim.

 

This is a great analysis of China's chess game it is playing (and currently succeeding at) right now.

 

Do you agree that China would likely step in to prevent a Russian loss in Ukraine? I'm thinking they value their trade with the west too much to do it. They need us to consume all that junk they manufacture.

 

Based on everything Russia and China have said...yeah. I think they will passively assist Russia much as we are assisting Ukraine.

China most recently came out and said they are going to "stand guard over the world order" Ya. That's exactly what that means.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/20/xi-jinping-vladimir-putin-moscow-ukraine-war

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...-order-chinese-leader-leaves-russia-rcna76048

"Yet, as Xi departed he told Putin: “Now there are changes that haven’t happened in 100 years. When we are together, we drive these changes.”

“I agree,” Putin said, to which Xi responded: “Take care of yourself dear friend, please.”"

So the goal here is to assist Russia so that they can drag this war on until NATO breaks up. Until some of it's members like maybe a France or Germany or the like start questioning this war and thus creating a divide in NATO. Weakening NATO.

So IDIOTS on this server who think this is just a war between Ukraine and Russia have no *******n clue as to the extent to the game China specifically is playing.

 

On the other hand, I believe the host of this segment said that China providing military support would unite the EU and the US further against China, including support for sanctioning China. So I'm not convinced yet that they would provide military support to Russia.

 

Well that's the big question/gamble. Can China's economy survive the sanctions long enough for NATO members to lose heart from suffering from the loss of Chinese manufacturing?

Based on their rhetoric it sounds to me like they are confident in China's economy outlasting the will of certain NATO members. If/Once that domino falls, you may as well just give the Baltics to Russia at that point.

 

Long term, America needs to shore up relations with Southern America, replace manufacturing from China to either Mexico or India, and all NATO allies need to strengthen their military.

China is strengthening it's soft power looking like they are trying to be world peace keepers, while the United States who has a history of war mongering is looking like they want this war to go on indefinitely. This will endear China to all Western hating States. It's smart.

 

I guess there's no telling what (mis)calculations the Chinese might make.

 

Russia's new role as China's "junior partner" must be especially humiliating for Putin and the Russian people.

“Russia’s leader also said Moscow supported use of the yuan in deals between his country and states in Asia, Africa and Latin America, proposing China’s currency for the sort of international role that he sought for the rouble earlier in his 23-year presidency.

In a similar way, Putin has now tacitly accepted Russia’s role as junior partner to China in their alliance against the West.”
IRISH TIMES, Russia-China summit shows who dominates their ‘no-limits’ relationship, Kremlin plays junior role in anti-US alliance but can rely on Beijing’s support, By Daniel McLaughlin, Wed Mar 22 2023.
https://www.irishtimes.com/world/eu...s-who-dominates-their-no-limits-relationship/

Putin should have Googled "quicksand" and "Ukraine" before he seized Crimea in 2014.

 

Russia likely see that as a necessary temporary position. Until the west is subjugated.

 

28 Mar: NICE. Russians FIRE THEIR GENERAL FOR CATASTROPHIC INCOMPETENCE | War in Ukraine Explained


Muscovy's big spring and summer defeat is starting very soon. Preliminary steps are already underway.

 

Yup .. but the US in particular is the object of the subjugation .. US economic hegemony under attack .. and while China is the biggest and most important partner .. there is a long list of other partners .. Iran and N. Korea - Obviously .. but then you have India - Brazil .. the "BRICs"

Over in the Middle East .. what can only be described as a complete disaster... Russia and China will be rebuilding Syria - Iraq - and helping Iran .. we now have China mediating between El Saud and Iran .. Assad visiting the UAE . soon we may see Petro-Dollars being denominated in Yuan. .Even Nato Member Turkey can't be trusted.

The Subjugation will be complete when Russia extracts compensation out of the USA for blowing up the Nord during peace negotiations .. Russia retaining Crimea and the separatist territory .. land along the Black Sea. Achieving this objective a huge win .. the failed sanctions an even bigger win

After the completion of the war .. gas sales will resume - Russia's economic future looking bright .. sanctions gone as part of the negotiations .. thus suffering little punishment for its actions .. while the punishment for the EU will continue until it can get Russian gas back on-line.

 

4 hr 55 min ago
Ukraine says it shot down a Russian bomber aircraft near Bakhmut

From CNN’s Olga Voitovych

Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile units have shot down a Russian Su-24M bomber near the eastern city of Bakhmut, Ukraine's Defense Ministry said Wednesday.

The aircraft was destroyed around 1:30 p.m. local time Tuesday, the ministry said.

CNN cannot independently verify the claim.

The report comes as Ukraine's Deputy Defense Minister, Hanna Maliar, said the country will defend Bakhmut “as long as we need it in terms of military defense tasks."

“We are defending Bakhmut as devotedly as any other settlement. The use of our forces and means is determined not by political expediency, but by the resources needed to repel the enemy and perform combat missions in this area,” Maliar said on Telegram. “The battle for Bakhmut is not an apocalypse. This is another heroic page in the war against the Russian Federation by the powerful Ukrainian army.”

Frontline situation: Russian forces control access to both Bakhmut and the nearby town of Avdiivka on three sides. They have made marginal gains in recent weeks but have been unable to encircle Ukrainian troops in either place. Most of the eastern front lines have changed little in the first three months of the year.​

Live updates: https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-03-29-23/index.html

 

I'm aware that you are excited at the possibilities Giftedone. But at the end of the day it's democracy under attack. The ability to have freedom and choice to pick your representatives. Russia and China...Iran..North Korea...all are authoritarian hell holes of which nobody chooses to migrate towards.

So it gets really gd hollow when you try to pass yourself off as American, with American values while crying about "nazis" as Russia invades to conquer and genocide it's neighbor in a very "nazi" like fashion.

You'll catch up to the actual game being played here, but by then it will be already be decided.

As for gas deals flowing again after the war? No. Dude...have you not been paying attention?

Qatar has swooped in and made long term commitments with all of Russia's ex customers. lol Those trade deals are gone.

Even Russia's good friend China got in on the action

https://www.reuters.com/business/en...year-lng-deal-with-chinas-sinopec-2022-11-21/

https://www.reuters.com/business/en...lips-sign-lng-supply-deal-germany-2022-11-29/

https://www.dw.com/en/french-qatari-energy-giants-sign-major-natural-gas-deal/a-63226330

Russia's loss has been Qatar's gains. They are looking to be the next Dubai and Russia gave it to them. Russia is now the vassal state of China.

Vut anyways, all that's likely to happen out of all this is we become a more dangerous bilateral world where East mostly trades with East and West with West.

 

Dude .. we all know your zeal for authoritarian.. so you can give the posting pictures of your hero's a rest .. chuckling as you do the "Orc Orc Orc" cheer .. encouraging those Ukraine lads into the meat grinder .. turned into sausage for gramma for xmas one poster suggested ..

Why you and the backslap pudd pull chuckle and make fun over this mass slaughter and the wiping out of a generation of Ukrainian men .. I suppose is no mystery .. but how you got to this place is a definite question .. drunk on the state sponsored propaganda you failed to notice perhaps.

 

Says the pro-orc bloke who posts farcical fantasies about authoritarian Muscovy and China somehow defeating the U.S.

 

It is not about being excited Duh ?! .. it is about recognizing what the threat to democracy actually is .. and threat to our way of life.. from people like you .. who have no clue what patriotism is about .. what is good for america .. and what constitutes a valid argument.

It is not my fault you can not deal with reality .. not my fault the Azov Nazi's were doing pogroms against the Russian Separatists .. and all kind of persecution and nasty deeds to the Separatists which ended up in civil war .. Not my fault these extremists identify with Nazi's

Who is the one who lacks "m'erican Values" .. and what values are those ? You don't know what they are .. so why are you pretending to be some high horse.. Your no Patriot .. .. you don't even know what the word means .. . Who are these morons who think calling out Gov't corruption and stupid actions is against american values .. Who are these Blue Jokers who view being anti war as "anti american" .. In league with Putin.. These are worthless pieces of human garbage .. why would you want to follow such filth like a mindless sheep .. repeating this anti american nonsense.

You talk about Democracy .. but hate free speech - information - freedom of the press .. but delight in cancel culture .. do as we say not as we do foreign policy hypocrisy .. as if this is helping us .. Isn't that what you believe .. cause that is what I just called out .. and you go cry foul. What does that make you "Tough Talk" .. either a LINO or a RINO .. thats what.. a hater of the founding principle .. your version "Do unto others and then split"

Thats about it for now

 

China and Russia are trying to promote their rise in power is acknowledgment that Authoritarian governance is superior to democracy. You clearly haven't been paying attention.

I'm all for free speech. You think they have free speech in Russia? For christ sakes man...Do I like cancel culture? Nope. But in Russia, cancel culture is being sent to the gulag or tossed out of a 10 storey window.

Right to protest? Those who dared to protest the war early on were conscripted. lol. How's that for cancel culture? You are making no sense and clearly have a lack of understanding of the governance of Russia or China.

And piss off with the nazi nonsense. Every place on earth that has white people, has nazi's. Even Russia. Between Ukraine and Russia, there is only one side that is currently actively acting like a Nazi as they attempt genocide Ukrainians while conquering their land.

Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...

 

Im not Pro Orc .. and Hate Putin .. don't like Orcs in general .. I just don't turn into a complete idiot at the mention of the name Vlad..unlike the backslap pudd pull Why are you so desperate to paint others with moronic falsehood .. you the one living in fallacy fantasyland .. trying to pin that junk on me .. yet to figure out what progaganda and censorship are .. have some serious authoritarian anti american leanings.. I am not the one running around Chanting Neo Nazi Azov tropes .. no doubt would be secretely lusting after Vlad were he on our side.

China and/or Russia are defeating the west in many ways .. are you blind mate ?

 

I'm not the one fantasizing about authoritarian countries "defeating" the west, mate. Where are you getting such silly notions from? And why do you repeat the lies they tell about Ukraine?

 

didn't say otherwise .. so why are you pretending I did .. Your clearly having a fantasy delusion .. which is fine until you start attributing this nonense to others .. - do you have anything other than Ad Hom and Strawman fallacy in your kit ?

Thats a complete crock .. and what does Russian Totalitarianism have to do with your hatred of free speech .. love of cancel culture.. you desperately trying to cancel a perspective which differed from your hopelessly lost analysis .. by crying Russia Russia Russia .. just like the Blue Clown Car did to Trump.

Demonizing those who call out Gov't Criminality -- and stupid deed that harm us -- as "Anti American" is another Cancel culture Favorite that is familiar to your lips .... why do you follow these morons like a pet sheep ? I wouldn't care but this is how nations end up like China or Russia - so its a bit of a concern ...especially since there are so many .. on both sides of the fence

You want to be a feaken neo-con .. have no idea of what a disaster this policy of regime change has been -- this "do as we say not as we do foreign policy" which is now coming to bite us in the backside .. that fine .. but it don't make me "Anti American" to disagree with this position.

 

I like how you try to accuse others of ad hom even as you're engaging in it heavily yourself.