Theists, present your best, most compelling evidence for God

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  1. taikoo

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    I wonder if any goddists can see why we think some of them are brainless wonders.
     
  2. Abu Sina

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    who taught them how to do this?

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  3. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    Since the Mormons have 12 living prophets they must have a direct line to God. How many prophets does your church have? Paul said that anyone can be a prophet if he wants to be one. That sounds like a great job, as long as you don't have to walk around naked for three years like Isaiah did.
     
  4. cupid dave

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    Hmmm...
    Many may be, but the secular feminist Gay community in America has promotes a sexual immorality among the young people which is creating a Welfare cost of $1 Trillion dollars that also icludes the financial strin of Medicare to Single Mother Families that are breaking our Federal Bidgets and forcing us to disband our military in exchange.

    The violent crimes and cost of the Criminal Justice System adds to this since 70% of all violent crime in America is cause by the kids that raised in these fatherless afmilies.


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    Which is worse?
    brainless secular behavior or brainless denominational Bible interpretations?
     
  5. Questerr

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    The Invisible Hand is a philosophical construct. It's not a real thing. It is simply the word for the phenomenon of supply and demand meeting up in markets to determine profits independent of people choosing the price arbitrarily.

    I am a student of Economics. Anyone who thinks economics involves worshipping Mammon is a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing idiot.

    Empirical evidence means that others can repeat experiments that prove the observations correct.

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    Their parents, via genetic memory/instinct.
     
  6. Stagnant

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    The phrase "taught" is rather begging the question, it assumes that they were taught it to begin with. In reality, it's a form of genetic memory; they evolved to know to do that instinctually. At least, that's my best guess - I haven't taken too much of a look at the issue. However, it would line up perfectly with what we know about nature, instinct, and evolution.
     
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    Not saying you're NECESSARILY wrong in your assessment, but do remember that correlation does not mean causation. After all, it is a proven fact that every time ice-cream sales increase, shark attacks also increase. And as piracy increases, so does global warming. In other words, you need to prove not only that the two statistics are increasing at the same time, but that they are DIRECTLY linked, and no third variable is involved.
     
  8. Akhlut

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    The military budget is much, much larger than the welfare afforded to the poor. Even welfare for corporations is twice as much as welfare for the poor. So, no, welfare for the poor is not harming the budget.

    That's not because of sexual licentiousness so much as the dynamics of poverty, which impact marriage rates AND crime rates.

    Well, let's see here. Toward the bottom of your list are the fairly irreligious states of Vermont, New Hampshire, Hawaii, Washington, and Oregon, while toward the top are the Bible-belt states of Mississippi, Tennessee, Louisiana, Florida, Alabama, and Georgia.

    Wow, good job there demolishing the idea that being secular is harmful. :v
     
  9. Heretic

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    Just because God doesn't answer doesn't mean He isn't listening. God rewards those who do for themselves, too, not just the beggars and pleaders.


    "merciful, loving God"???? Sounds like New Testament lies and blasphemy to me. God is rarely merciful or "loving". You Zio-liberals love to think that God revolves around YOU, instead of the truth, which is YOU revolve around HIM!!!!!!!!! God does not exist to flatter your Zionist mentality.

    New Testament blasphemers are the most vain, greedy, narcissistic Satan worshipers on the planet.


    Free Will is evil?

    What do most humanists and zionists do with Free Will that GOD GRANTED YOU? You choose Satan over God. And you want to cry and have God save you when you fall into the pit of fire? God is not as "merciful" as you may suspect.

    God granted us Free Will, gave this to MAN. This was reflected in His giving us Christ, His first son, to humanity. This represents the transition of FREE WILL from the divine, to the natural realm. Christ's sacrifice to MAN makes FREE WILL possible.

    And what do slime do with free will? They give it right back. They spit on Christ. They blaspheme and rebel against God. They give their Free Will into the hands of Satan, the deceiver, WILLINGLY.

    You honestly think God would "save you" from your own stupidity, from your own responsibility in life? No, you pay the price of SIN. And the price of SIN is eternal danmnation.
     
  10. Stagnant

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    Yes, and never getting an answer, no sign, for 16 years... At what point do you start to think, "You know, I'm looking a little silly talking to myself and expecting someone to answer".

    Okay, correction, any god who is not inherently evil.

    God is omniscient. He knows everything. He knows, as a result, that humans are liable to misuse their free will, and will, due to the way he set up his rules, suffer the cruelest punishment imaginable forever. First off, an infinite punishment for a finite crime is inherently unjust and evil. Secondly, God could, given the fact that he is literally omnipotent, change the way things are - and somehow chooses not to. Therefore we can only conclude that god is evil. But your god is defined as good, is he not?

    Bull(*)(*)(*)(*). "Satan" comes into the equation about as much as Santa Claus does. What we do with our free will is deduce that there is no convincing evidence for God. And here's the third gigantic slap in the face in your worldview: God knows this. God knows that we, as people, see no convincing evidence for his existence, and thus will make the logical conclusion that he probably doesn't exist. God is fully aware that we have rational grounding for our disbelief, and that we will not change our minds unless he helps us, by showing some sign of his existence. And God refuses to do so, knowing full well that he is (*)(*)(*)(*)ing us to an eternity of suffering. How is that not sadistic, malevolent, and downright evil?

    Ooh, even better! So god could've just left the whole "free will" thing lie, and judged us on things like "are you a good person", "have you lived a just and honest life", et cetera. But instead, he (*)(*)(*)(*)s countless good people to eternal torture.

    Your belief system sickens me. You worship a malevolent, sadistic tyrant, who apparently gets off on toying with people, springing a gigantic "gotcha" trap that he knows they couldn't have seen coming that leaves them to suffer for all eternity. If that doesn't sound (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up to you, then you are morally bankrupt and need a reality check. Fast.
     
  11. WhatNow!?

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    You're right...they certainly never lead to proof that a "god" or gods" exist.
     
  12. Heretic

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    And just who the hell do you think you are to question God and know better than Him how to rule, manage, and create All Things???
     
  13. WhatNow!?

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    No, marriage existed with people before they ever heard of christianity, or had it forced on them.

    But I have always noted that most christians turn a blind eye to anything that smacks of historical FACTS....
     
  14. Questerr

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    Argument from Authority fallacy and just another example of the Christian model of God as the evil mafia don in the sky who will break your legs if you don't pay him protection mon...er I mean pray to him.
     
  15. Heretic

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    No, wrong.

    Give me one example of any animal, outside humanity, that build churches, has weddings, and requires a virgin bride before entering into a lifelong, HOLY MATRIMONY, under a priest representative of God?

    You can't, because they don't exist. Animals are not humans. God has given MAN FREE WILL, but not animals.
     
  16. Heretic

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    Oh, what's this......GOD is responsible for your eternal danmnation, and NOT YOURSELF, and NOT SATAN????

    It's so typical how you God-haters and Christian-haters, Zio-liberal atheists, want so desperately to HATE GOD and put all your vengeance against HIM!!!

    It's just too hard to blame yourselves, isn't it? How dare you blasphemers call yourselves "Christians". A True Christian blames himself FIRST and FOREMOST. He doesn't BLAME GOD or even BLAME SATAN. A True Christian BLAMES HIMSELF FIRST!!!
     
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    God created a system that is objectively immoral. Your God is evil. And you are evil for worshiping it.
     
  18. Akhlut

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    Infinite harm visited on someone for perpetrating finite harm is pretty evil and petty.
     
  19. Heretic

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    Tell me how God is "evil", I'd LOVE to hear this..................I'm trying not to laugh already.

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    Tell me how God is "evil", I'd LOVE to hear this..................I'm trying not to laugh already.

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    Does God punish SINNERS, or does Satan?

    Does God's denial into the Gates of Heaven, reflect Satan's treatment of those he's seduced into a lifetime of SIN???

    Rejecting evil is not the same as making evil.
     
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    LOL, you did notice the qualifier "before they ever heard of Christianity," right?
     
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    Eternal torture for thoughtcrime occuring during the span of a single finite life is objectively evil.

    You and the God you purport to worship are Evil.
     
  22. Akhlut

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    YHWH commanding the Israelites to commit genocide.

    According to most Christian theology, YHWH is responsible for the eternal punishment, as Satan is one of the condemned. Unless you're getting your Christian theology about Hell from Slayer cover art.

    YHWH has the power to stop it and refuses to do so. Most people would call such inaction evil.

    YHWH's refusal to stop evil from occurring would be evil.

    Well, that and commanding people to commit genocide and take sex slaves. That's pretty (*)(*)(*)(*)ing evil too.
     
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    God's rejection of you is not evil. You blame God for Satan ripping the flesh off your back with his lashes and nine-tails. You don't blame Satan for evil. This is too obvious. You blame God.

    Why are all Zio-Liberals the same, with that same obvious hatred and contempt against God????? Why do you all think the exact same way, hating God, but NOT YOURSELVES and NOT SATAN???????

    It's too obvious. You hate GOD because you hate FREE WILL.
     
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    I don't know better than him to rule and manage. I know better than him to be ethical. I understand that a victimless crime should not be punished, and it is immoral to do so. I understand that setting people up to fail, then blaming them for the failure you knew would happen is immoral.

    I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that I created a system where a large number of people would be tortured for eternity, and I knew this in advance.

    I don't hate God any more than I hate Zeus or Allah or any number of other things I don't believe in. I hate you, and people like you, who pollute the world with your hatred, spite, and ignorance.

    So you're to blame for your utterly immoral belief system? Good to know.
     
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    Not intervening between GOOD AND EVIL is not itself, EVIL. You think that God not saving every "innocent" individual is Himself evil?

    You don't know anything about INNOCENCE and GUILT. God is the ultimate JUDGE. He knows who passes through the pearly gates, and which souls will be trapped forever in HELL ON EARTH, the apocalypse. How dare you claim to know more about God's JUDGMENT???

    Who do you think you are? You think you're JUDGE of all men???????

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    God "BLAMES" people for their failures, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING??????????????????????

    REALLY????????????????????

    I find you hard to believe.

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    God "BLAMES" people for their failures, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING??????????????????????

    REALLY????????????????????

    I find you hard to believe.
     

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