There is no hope for Islam.

Since Isalm is an ideology of hate, any web site that supports Islam could correctly be called a "hate site".

 

So the Muslims traveled hundreds of miles on horseback (a slow tedious method of travel compared to modern transportation) from their homegrounds of the Arabian peninsula, to these faraway places, and then in all these cases the local people were the aggressors against the nice, pleasant, jovial, cheery, friendly, always smiling, happy-go-lucky Muslims, who only went to these faraway places to play tennis with the local people, right ?
Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!! (Burt Reynolds laugh).

 

We can just as easily say that in sura 9:123, it tells Muslims to make war on the infidels who dwell around you, thereby saying nothing about anyone attacking first, thereby saying for the Muslims to make war, attack, kill, for no reason other than GENOCIDE (Nazis).

 

Twenty millionth lesson repeated over and over. There is no such thing as "Islamaphobes" That word is a concoction of Islamapologists trying to discredit the truth-tellers by calling them a bad name.

"Out of context" is one of the Islamapologists primary defense tactics. Funny how they continue to use it when they know we're all wise to it.

Islampaologists claim the protectionists (whom they refer to as "Islamapobes") tell lies. Then when they are asked to show what they base that charge upon, they just repeat the charge over again. HA HA HA.

 

Response: I couldn't agree more, or even say it better.

 

Response: To the contrary, see how the deluded non-muslim continues to fail in showing from the qur'an or sunnah that Muhammad started any battle. In other words, you help to debunk your own arguments everytime you post a response. The laugh is on you.

 

Response: In other words, your argument is so weak and obvious so that even you realized how foolish it was , so the only thing you could do was laugh in response. That being the case, the laugh is on you.

 

Response: Yet the simple fact that you can't quote anything from the verse stating to kill for no reason proves otherwise. Thus all you've done was help to advocate how perverted and deluded your ideology is, not islam. Thanks for the clarification.

 

simplified works best for some, but if we use the same strategy to analyse the posts of the islamophobic bigots, we see that they get all their information from a limited range of internet sources and none have ever referred to any more reliable sources.

they also show a remarkable resemblance to 19th century ethnographers in detailing the lives of the more "primitive" peoples - they "know" - from their superior position of being white and western (and probably christian) more about the meanings of the others cultures, practices and beliefs than the people being studied.

later research showed these early ethnographers to be ethnocentric and unable to view their subjects objectively. usually interpreting insignificant details as being the core of the social system they were examining, and overlooking major elements.

this often lead to a very poor understanding of these cultures, a legacy which is still with us today.

a little knowledge is a dangerous thing when steeped in ignorance and prejudice.

 

If you were at all educated you would be aware, from the construct of the word, that it means someone who has an irrational fear of Islam.

fear is the primary emotion that feeds hatred, so it is the most appropriate term to describe peddlars of hatred, such as yourself.

in order to justify your stance, you constantly use lies. whether you are aware these are lies or not I am not 100% sure, however they are obtained by selective reading of specific internet sites whose origin seems to be to spread cherrypicked items, usually out of context and often mistranslated, for the purpose of bolstering your argument.

these sites also seem to have endless lists of the "crimes" committed by muslims.

if you were at all aware of the study of history, you would be avoiding these sites like the plague.

no reliable historian would go near such a site, as the study of history requires reading within a context, not just listing dates and names of battles like people did in elementary school in the 1950's and 60's.

so ... either you are ignorant of history, or you are deliberately acting as an agent to spread these lies.

which is it?

 

Already refuted in post 479.

 

See They Must Be Stopped by Brigitte Gabriel (skip the invalidation blab, we all know your MO), pages 27-33, which gives a good account of Mohammed attacks from the Hijra (622 AD) to his betrayal of the Treaty of Al-Hudaybiyah in 630 AD. Included are the battles and sieges of Dadr, Uhud, Khaybar, and Mecca.

Mohammed legacy of CONQUEST was firmly established when he died in 632 AD, and his successor Omar took over and began plundering vast masses of land from the Middle East into Africa.

 

Response ? What you said doesn't deserve the dignity of a response. Just laughing at it is more appropriate. LOL.

 

Same old invalidation tactic. Ho hum. What else is new ? Yawn *****.

Notice how cassandrabandra rarely cites any real information to attempt to refute the "Islamaphobes" (as she calls us). Instead we get unsubstantiatied rhetoric like > "19th century ethnographers" ( I wonder who they are).
Also, we hear > "limited range of internet sources" (hmmm, I could swear I've noted at least 8 books - about 3,000 pages total + thousands more in their footnoted reports).
Also we hear, "steeped in ignorance and prejudice" (as usual, no basis given for the charge). The only "ignorance" I recall offhand, is the grade that cassandrabandra got on the Islamization Quiz that I presented her with > ZERO.

 

Yes an irrational fear of Islam. That is what Islamaphobia means. And if you were at all knowledgeable of my OPs and posts, you would know that I have repeatedly mentioned that in the past. While fear may produce hatred or at least hostility, there is plenty of fear that doesn't produce hatred, instead it produce protectionism, somethiing you either don't understand, or you choose to not understand it.

As for your baseless charge that I use lies, you've been challenged on that repeatedly. No once have you ever answered those challenged with a single word of evidence of any lie I've ever told. So, based on that, it might be fair to say that YOU are tell lies, every timed you spout off your accusations that I have been telling them.

As for the the "listing dates and names of battles", I challenged you on that too. I said if you have some evidence to refute any of the items on the list, let's hear it. As usual, we have NOT heard it. LOL.

 

By referring to "being white and western (and probably christian)", you are taking a racist and ethnocentrist stance, which has not relation to anything I've said. Sounds like you just like to hide behind the race card.

 

How can there be any hope for Islam when :

The Muslim Brotherhood has (in documentation) sworn to destroy America and Western civilization, and has never disavowed their vow ?


"The process of settlement [of Islam in the United States] is a "Civilization-Jihadist" process with all that the word means. The Ikhwan [Muslim Brotherhood in North America] must understand that all their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and "sabotaging" their miserable house by their hands, and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated, and Allah's religion is made victorious over all religions."

Mohamed Akram, "An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America" May 22, 1991, Government Exhibit 003-0085, United States vs. Holy Land Foundation, et al

 

How can there be any hope for Islam when :

The Muslim Brotherhood, sworn to destroy America and all western civilization, has hundreds of front organizations in the USA alone. (ex. CAIR, ISNA, MSA, MAS, MPAC, ICNA, IIIT, etc).

 

How can there be any hope for Islam when :

There continue to be thousands of terrorist attacks around the world.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

 

How can there be any hope for Islam when THIS is happening :

The department’s “civil rights lawyers are top of the line — I say this with utter honesty — I know they can come up with a way” to redefine criticism as discrimination, said Sahar Aziz, a female, Egyptian-American lawyer.

“I’d be willing to give a shot at it,” said Aziz, who is a fellow at the Michigan-based Muslim advocacy group, the Institute for Social Policy & Understanding.

The audience of Islamist advocates and department officials included Tom Perez, who heads the department’s division of civil rights.

“We must continue to have the open and honest and critical dialogue that you saw in the robust debate,” Perez responded in an enthusiastic closing speech a few minutes after Aziz made her demands at the event.

“I sat here the entire time, taking notes,” Perez said. “I have some very concrete thoughts … in the aftermath of this.”

The meeting at George Washington University showcased the expanding alliance between American progressives and Islamists, said Andrew McCarthy, a former federal prosecutor in New York.

Progressives “are making these Islamist groups into the [political] representatives of Muslims in the United States,” he told The Daily Caller. That elevation of Islamists to a leadership role sidelines the majority of American Muslims who don’t want Islamist leaders, as well as American Muslims who are female or gay, he said.

McCarthy investigated and prosecuted Egyptian-born Imam Omar Abdel-Rahman, dubbed “the blind sheik,” for urging Muslims to kill New Yorkers. Abdel-Rahman was sentenced to life imprisonment in 1996.

Progressives ally with the Islamic lobby because “they think it will be a political voting bloc that will be reliably Democratic,” said Robert Spencer, an author and expert on Islam.

None of the Islamist advocates of civil rights officials in attendance, including Perez, objected to Aziz’s call for free-speech restrictions.

The event did not include Zuhdi Jasser, an Arizona Muslim, former naval officer and a co-founder of a coalition of modernist Muslim groups, the American Islamic Leadership Coalition. “The Islamist groups’ victimology feeds into the left’s propaganda that the right is anti-minority and anti-Muslim, so there’s a mutual political benefit there,” said Jasser, who clashes with Spencer over rival responses to the Islamist groups.

Nor did the conference include any influential critics, such as McCarthy and Spencer, who argue that Islamist terror attacks are partly motivated by Islamic texts. These texts include the Koran’s verse 9:5, which says “when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them.”

Aziz, however, used her invitation to argue that Americans’ fear of Islamists’ bombs has evolved into racism towards dark-skinned men.

The word “Muslim,” she said, “has become racialized. … I don’t accept this formalistic cop-out that this is all about religion.”

Aziz did not offer any evidence for her claim, which she said justifies the use of Title VI anti-discrimination laws against institutions and individuals who argue that Islamic texts spur Islamic violence.

This legal redefinition, she said, would also “take [federal] money away from local police departments and fusion centers who are spying on all of us.”

Aziz also argued against the commonplace police practice of informally talking with people in communities, including Muslim communities. “This has been a real problem with this outreach stuff,” she said. Muslims “are acting in good faith, and then they find their imams, who were going to outreach meetings, were being spied on,” she complained. “Some have been deported. Some have been prosecuted.”

In March, Afghan-born New York Imam Ahmad Wais Afzali was ordered deported after he admitted he lied to the FBI about warning a suspected Muslim terrorist that he was being investigated. That terrorist, Najibullah Zazi, admitted that he was planning to place bombs in the New York City subway. The imam learned about the investigation because he had offered to work with local police to help identify potential terrorists in his congregation.

“People are going in good faith” to talk with police, Aziz said. “They’re being very honest about what their grievances are. They’re telling the government, ‘This what we want you to do … [and] we want you not to spy on our community.’”

Dwight Holton, a Justice Department legal counsel based in Oregon, said the threat of criminal gangs or terror attacks justifies routine police contacts with locals. “When we go to a barber shop to talk to the community, we don’t tell them you can have a lawyer,” he said.

“You should,” Aziz immediately replied.

Aziz’s advocacy was supported by a second Islamist advocate, Islamic Society of North America president Mohamed Magid. He argued that “teaching people that all Muslims are a threat to the country… is against the law and the Constitution.”

Magid asked Perez to change the federal government’s rules governing terror investigations, for more private meetings with top justice department officials, for the reeducation of FBI agents, and for more people to oppose criticism of Islam, which he labelled “religious bigotry and hate.”

In 2009 the federal government named Magid’s organization an unindicted co-conspirator in the successful 2009 trial of three Muslims who smuggled $12 million to the Islamist terror group Hamas. Two of the smugglers received life sentences.

During his speech, Perez applauded the Islamist lobbyists for persuading government officials to end extra security checks on airline passengers from Nigeria and 12 Islamic countries. The checks were adopted in 2010 after a Nigerian Muslim tried to blow up a passenger aircraft on Christmas Day.

“What did we hear in the aftermath of that? We heard a lot of feedback from people in this room and from leaders across the country that we could be doing a better job [by ending the checks]… and a few month later, and thanks to you, we did just that,” Perez told the Islamist advocates.

McCarthy, the former prosecutor, said few people recognize the expanding alliance between progressives and Islamists.

Americans “don’t realize that Islamist ideology is collectivist and redistributionist, so it works seamlessly with the left,” he said.

“They disagree over gay rights and women’s rights, [but] on many big items they’re on the same page,” McCarthy added, citing Islamist groups’ support for the administration’s health sector law as an example.

Perez did not promise to meet any of the demands made by the Islamists, but he repeatedly promised extensive consultations and flattered the attendees, while speaking in a style that blended the cadences of an academic lecturer and a rural preacher. “There will be times where we have honest differences of opinion, but if we don’t talk and don’t actively listen and if we don’t reflect and recalibrate where necessary, then we won’t be doing our job, and you have our continuing commitment to that end,” Perez declared.

Progressives, including Holton and Perez, choose to ignore the Islamists’ stated goals, Spencer said. “They assume — and force us to assume on pain of charges of ‘Islamophobia’ — that all Muslims are moderate, peaceful and have no intentions of bringing Sharia [Islamic law] here,” said Spencer. “No amount of evidence to the contrary, no amount of jihadi plots, and no number of demands for accommodation of Sharia’s provisions, ever disabuses them of this dogma.”

Justice Department officials declined to comment to The Daily Caller.

When the session ended, Perez — a Maryland resident, a progressive and a former staffer to Sen. Ted Kennedy — climbed the stage to embrace Imam Magid, who was born in Sudan and trained at a Saudi fundamentalist seminary.

 

How can there be any hope for Islam when :

In Pakistan, a distraught mother of a 6-year-old girl who was brutally raped by an older man, demands justice from the mullahs but is told, “Shut your mouth, go home and forget about it” Just imagine, you get to brutally assault a helpless child, and you get a blessing. To say monsters don't exist in every religion ( or cults like Islam veiled as religions ) would be an untruth; but only Islam condones & defends the perverted and barbaric behavior. 1400 years of depravity, and not one inch of sane ground gained. I'm guessing it's some sort of record.

 

How can there be any hope for Islam when a helicopter goes down in Afghanistan killing dozens of special forces troops, and we don't even get a Congressiona investigation over it ?

A lot of people have been asking some very logical questions. Like why was a mission set up whereby such a large, slow moving (and therefore easy target) helicopter wold be entering a hot, battle zone ? Wouldn't it be smarter to have about a dozen much smaller, faster-moving helicopters transporting these troops ? And isn't it possible that someone in the planning of this mission could have been a Taliban sympathizer and tipped off the Taliban to the time and location of the mission ?

That a rhetorical question. I'll give the answer. Yes, it's quite possible, and in fact, this type of thing has happened quite often in the FBI, when raids are set up, and when the agents arrive, the suspects are either gone or their contraband is gone, shredded, or well concealed, whereby an obvious tip-off occured prior to the raid.

The FBI and the Pentagon are filled with Arabic-speaking Muslims (Arabic speaking Americans are hard to find), and many of these are disloyal to the USA. Some have been arrested on terrorism charges over the past 10 years, but many have not and continue to tip off jihadists with top secret information. There has been a disturbing undercurrent of political correctness toward Muslims that says "hands off" when it comes to Muslim wrongdoing. Like when Major Stephen Coughlin was fired from his job when he challenged the Muslim Brotherhood group ISNA (Islamic Society of North America) as being the subversive militants that they are. A Muslim aide to the Deputy Sect. of Defense Gordon England (who was chummy with ISNA), complained about Coughlin's truthful assertions as "hate speech". It was only after a torrent of outrage was raised, that Coughlin (the Pentagon's only real expert on Islamic law) was hired back, but then to a different position.

Partly because of the lack of Arabic-speaking Americans, and partly due to political correctness idiocy, the vetting process of Muslims in the Pentagon has been slight. Frankly, I think it would be better if no Muslims were hired into security clearance position at all, due to the security risk that this poses.
One should realize that a true Muslim really is never a national of any country, or at least his country is subordinate in loyalty/kinship/connection to the Ummah (worldwide community of Muslims). For instance, a Canadian Muslim feels more connection to an Albanian Muslim than he does to a non-Muslim Canadian. A Muslim in the Pentagon, in strategic planning, could easily be more loyal to, have more connection to the Taliban, than to any American.

A military investigation is already underway of this incident. That's not good enough. What is needed is an outside investigation, by non-partisan, objective researchers (the Congress), not the military investigating itself (fox guarding henhouse), and telling us they did no wrong. It's critical that the outside investigation be done and soon, because if the strategic planning of war missions is infected by Taliban-sympathizer moles, it could result in more disasters like the one on August 6. For that matter, one can ponder if Muslim moles in military planning haven't caused the deaths of hundreds or thousands of US troops over the past 8 years. Can anyone answer that with supporting evidence outside of military reports ? (of them "investigating" themselves).

 

How can there be any hope for Islam when stuff like this goes on :

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/31/n...ver-head-scarves-at-playland-park-in-rye.html

And this : http://www.omegatimes.com/article.php?intid=1330

And this : http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291569,00.html

And this : http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16472393/#.TwNqjjWXRBE

And this : http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2004-08-13/news/0408130198_1_pork-discrimination-muslim

 

How can there be any hope for Islam when :

All-American Muslim’ RATINGS DIVE as advertisers, like LOWE’S, flee the TLC show like rats off a sinking ship…..

http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com...ee-the-tlc-show-like-rats-off-a-sinking-ship/

 

How can there be any hope for Islam when stuff like this is happening. And we're seeing more and more of it every day on the TV news. It's just not going away.

http://www.actforamerica.org/index....-pulls-ambassador-out-of-syria-citing-threats