There is no Omnipotence Paradox

This one is loved to be thrown around by atheists. Can God make a rock which he cannot lift?

But wait, he CAN. And you know what, he's still omnipotent. Why? Because he's omnipotent. Omnipotence, naturally, would include the power to violate any logically consistent scenario. Otherwise, it wouldn't be omnipotence, would it?

So in summation, there is no omnipotence paradox.

Do you agree, why or why not?

 

I agree that there is no omnipotence paradox, but not for the reason you offer here.

Omnipotence is the power to do anything that is possible. Not the actual ability to do anything. I suspect that if you gave this a few seconds of thought, you'd come down on that definition as well.

Does God have the ability to kill himself?

 

There may not be an omnipotence paradox, but I strongly doubt that most atheists use that as their primary argument against god.

 

I just doubt that people mean actual omnipotence when they talk about God's omnipotence. There are logical constructs that cannot be true, for instance, one can add "in our understanding of logic" to any inconsistency and it is impossible again. "Can God make true=false in our understanding of logic?". No he cannot. But that's hardly the point.

I think it's rare to see atheists use the omnipotence paradox against believers, there is no real point in it. It would concern God's omnipotence, not God's existence and is therefore not interesting for disproving God. Deists might be able to get away with it.

 

How the human paradox; With the word, mankind created the god(s) that are believed to have created him.


ps.... i just made that up and its true. Mankind created the words within existence.

 

Now that is about as extreme as circular reasoning gets.

 

kind of like 'god is love' but hates so many

 

God is truth, so that's a limitation right there. God cannot make truth into falsehood. God could not change "2 + 2 = 4" to "2 + 2 = 5."

 

great point.

ie.... the math is the 'name' to know


Meaning; there is far less lying with truth and the universal language (math) is how to provide the foundation to the absolute of truth!

the math dont lie; people do

 

If he's omnipotent, then why couldn't he?

 

If my aunt had yahoos, she'd be my uncle; a HE.

but ya see, she is still a she and not a he just as it be,

see?

 

Sorry, I didn't quite get that...

What?

 

God is truth. He can't change truth to a lie.

God could wink us all out of existence with a thought, but he could not change "2 + 2 = 4" to "2 + 2 = 5."

 

what is, is

what aint, aint

No matter what you believe!

 

Because, as was pointed uout earlier, Omnipotence is not the ability to do anything, it's the ability to anything that is possible.

God cannot sin for example, according to the bible. He also can not kill himself.

The fact is that there are many contridictions about the nature of god.

A great example of this would be the creation of lucifer.
According to Christian Dogma, God is a supremely benevolent being and can not touch evil or perform evil, which is why sinners are barred from heaven, because God can not be near them. But, he also knows all things, past, present, and future. If he knows all things, he knew that Lucifer would be evil, and since he can not be near evil, he would be unable to create lucifer.

 

God's omniscience, omipotence, and omnipresence, are such that all are in agareement with God's nature. All of these scenarios given contridict God's nature.

There is no rock God cannot make. There is no rock He cannot carry.

Quantrill

 

Well, someone or something is obviously said to have lied to Adam and Eve about dying from eating a certain fruit, and to Abraham about making burnt offering of his son.

 

The Problem of Evil is a great paradox for the theists to explain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil

 

No God gives freewill. Lucifer was not created to be evil that was a choice

 

Are you saying that no instance of God gives free will or did you just not use punctuation?

Are you saying that God was unaware of what Lucifer would become and stand for?

 

I am saying we have freewill. Yes God knew but it was Lucifer's choice.

Lucifer was created to be a musician and praiser of God.

 

Thus rendering God's knowledge incomplete.

I wonder what I'll be called if I create someone to praise me. Oh well.

 

No it was complete. God allowed Lucifer free will. You have to twist what I say to make false statements

 

If it was complete, then Lucifer cannot have had free will.

 

Because God knew does not mean he influenced it or made it happen. Lucifer had free will and rebelled against God by his own freewill.