There is no Omnipotence Paradox

I don't know of any certain 'word' to use. I have said, concerning the future in reference to God's plans, what He has planned will come to pass. It will not change.

Quantrill

 

So much for divine justice. You have just reduced your concept of God to a boy playing with an ant farm.

 

Explain.

Quantrill

 

If "all is to God's plan," then the salvation scheme is a farce. Salvation or d@mnation are arbitrarily predetermined by that plan, and no human can alter his or her assigned fate.

 

The salvation plan is complete and accomplishes that which God created it for. Nothing is arbitrary.

The invitation is to all. No one who wants to be saved by Jesus Christ will be lost. No one who does not come to Christ as the Son of God and Saviour, will be eternally in the lake of fire.

Quantrill

 

The conversation has nothing to do with Gods plans.

We do not need one specific word but I will no longer use the word predestination to you because your definition is different than mine.

Does God know all that will happen in the future ?

 

Nonsense. It is entirely arbitrary by definition. If (as you insist) "the salvation plan is complete and accomplishes that which God created it for" then we can readily see what that purpose was; to maximize gratuitous suffering for all of eternity.

If as you assert it is all God's plan, there were no genuine invitations. The vast majority of humanity was created with the full knowledge by God that their ultimate fate was eternal fire in the pits of hell. After all, he did not have to create a single person to be d@mned. That was his contingent choice. But he did so anyways, with full preknowledge of (and hence responsibility for) that fate.

 

You say the conversation has nothing to do with God's plans then ask me if God knows what will happen in the future.

God doesn't look into the future to see whats going to happen. That which occurs, does so because God has so planned. Does God know the future, yes, because He has planned the future.

God knows all that will happen in the future because He has so ordered it.

Quantrill

 

Hence the salvation scheme is a farce.

What about such a God do you actually find worthy of worship?

 

No its not arbitrary. It is quite involved and expensive, and took a lot of time.

The invitation is genuine. Those however who are not of God will reject that invitation. It doesn't take away from the invitation. It reveals the depth of hatred of those who reject God.

Quantrill

 

And how do you hallucinate that means it's not arbitrary?

Your own assertion that God "has ordered it" renders such a position untenable.

 

No, it accomplishes that which it is for.

Everything. He is God. He has provided for my salvation. He is Jesus Christ. He has suffered for me. He is my Father. He alone is worhty of worship.

Quantrill

 

And you are long past the point in which they would even accept you in a mental hospital... saying at your arrival... "there is no hope for this one, just lock him away somewhere".

 

Because the invitation and mans will are part of the plan of salvation.

The invitation is genuine. Any who come to Christ as their Lord and Saviour will be saved.

Quantrill

 

Which makes it no less a farce.

If you are lucky. But given God's arbitrary nature, I wouldn't be too confident. If it is His plan that you end up in the lake of fire, that's where you're going to end up.

You've got no personal say in the matter.

 

Asking if God knows what will happen in the future is different than asking what Gods plans are for the future.

You say: God knows the future - God does not look into the future - God has planned the future.

If God knows the future - then he has looked into the future to see what is going to happen.

If God has planned the future - then he has looked into the future to see what is going to happen.

Do you see the contradiction here ?

 

You work real hard on that one?

Mine was funnier. Even your fellows have repped me for it.

 

No, I don't. As I said, God does not look into the future to see whats going to happen. Whats going to happen does so because He has planned the future.

Quantrill

 

Not if there is plan commanded by God. Omnipotence still only allows the possible. What you are suggesting is internally contradictory and self refuting; i.e. impossible.

Too bad nobody can come to Christ unless it was part of God's plan in the first place. Everybody else is screwed.

 

I agree with you and you should practice what you preach with regard to answering simple questions.

As regarding whether or not everything is known in advance or not ... I say yes everything is known in advance which means PREDESTINATION which means that God is in control of your life.... which means that God exists... which means that you are a slave to God, which means that God can do whatever He pleases with you...... Should I go on?

Does that foreknowing of God have any bearing on whether or not God is Omnipotent... answer it this way.... If God is in control of destiny (having predestination powers) then there is nothing that you can say or do which will affect his Omnipotence. Oh well,,, such is life... some of us have that status with God and some of you folks don't. Three cheers for predestination. Rah Rah Rah Hip Hip Hooray.

 

Another believer acknowledging that the Islamo-Christian salvation scheme is a farce. Wonderful.

 

As I have said, from God's view, those will come who He so chooses. That however doesn't take away from the plan of salvation which is sufficient for all to come. Nor does it take away from the invitation to come. It is a bonafide invitation based on the sufficiency of the blood of Christ.

From our view, you should not worry about God's plan, and simply look to Jesus Christ as your Saviour.

Quantrill

 

Predestination is within the plans of God, so this conversation has everything to do with Gods plans.

Are you now saying that you are afraid of one itty bitty word?

Of course he does... Remember,, PREDESTINATION.... as well as OMNISCIENCE... Hand in Hand like tailor made gloves.

 

That is your interpretation, and is not what I have stated... therefore, you have the choice of hats which you can wear. the one bearing the label of LIAR or the other one bearing the title of 'Deceiver'. Take your pick.

 

Kind of the pot calling the kettle black dont you think ?

It was you that claimed that the historical, archaeological, and scientific evidence I presented in relation to Biblical events was not to be relied upon because I had not actually spoken to first person witnesses of these events.

Then you claimed that you had true knowledge about these Biblical events because of your daily conversations with the Holy Spirit which you claimed was a first person witness.

There coming to take me away ha ha ..hee hee .. ho ho !!