There is no Omnipotence Paradox

I meant by 'things' what you meant by 'things'. God can do all things. Both real and whaever He imagines. This far exceeds your or my imagination.

God does hate evil. Evil is a product of another will in opposition to Him. It doesn't matter if it's part of His plan. His plan is to use it and judge it.

Quantrill

 

Or reason.

 

You mean 'things' as in both real and what he imagined. But is that what the bible means?

If God will use evil when he doesn't need it then he doesn't hate it. If he wants to keep it around when he doesn't need it, then God is keeping evil around for its own sake, which means God does not hate evil. The evil did not come from him, but he is still allowing to be around when he doesn't need it.

 

Remember now.... reason = normal thinking. chuckle.

 

If only that were true.

 

Look in the dictionary.... no wait... let me provide it for you:

"rea·son (rzn)
n.
1. The basis or motive for an action, decision, or conviction. See Usage Notes at because, why.
2. A declaration made to explain or justify action, decision, or conviction: inquired about her reason for leaving.
3. An underlying fact or cause that provides logical sense for a premise or occurrence: There is reason to believe that the accused did not commit this crime.
4. The capacity for logical, rational, and analytic thought; intelligence.
5. Good judgment; sound sense.
6. A normal mental state; sanity: He has lost his reason.
7. Logic A premise, usually the minor premise, of an argument."

Gee... what is that which is emphasized in red text?

 

The sixth out of 7 possible definitions. You do know that they are listed in a particular order for a reason, right?



You have turned equivocation into an industry. That's okay though. Because we've all got your number.

 

Order of listing is irrelevant to the FACT that reason still incorporates 'normality' in the thinking process. Take it or leave it. Normality in thinking is not negated.

Also, if you really want to play that little game of the rank or order in which they are listed,,, then notice what #7 is.

 

Like I said... you have turned equivocation into an industry. Without it, you would have almost nothing to say.

 

And with the power of equivocation over the proper use of words, you find yourself in a pickle dealing with the reality of words.

 

As pointless as usual.

 

What???? No comment on the rank and order of the 'logic' aspect of 'reason'? Hmmm. Like I said, you are in a pickle in dealing with the power of words.

 

Inc... you are long past the point at which Fonzi has put on his water skis.

 

Since both Omniscience and Omnipotence describe imaginary things, like the words ELF, GOD, DEMON, and ANGEL, there is no sense in all this fuss, Nothing is either one.

Names for imaginary things have a valid reason to exist, they are used to explain the thoughts of man, who can imagine that which does not exist. Other than that, they are of little worth. They do not describe anything in reality, just imaginary beliefs.

 

Your supposition is quite foolish, and rather a poor rephrasing of the old 'what happens when an immovable object hits and an unstoppable object collide. Your supposition makes the ASSUMPTION that a god exists, the unliftable rocks exist and that unliftable rocks can be lifted. It all assumes more nonsense, that omnipotence exists. When all the imaginary nonsense is tossed out, your statement becomes complete nonsense in itself.

 

You did not answer the question.

By definition a furture that is "predestined" is a furture that can not change.

If everything is predestined then nothing in the future can change.

If something that was predestined does not happen. Then it was not predestined.

Either something is predestined or it is not.

 

If the future can be changed, then it is impossible to know the furture with absolute certainty.

 

What is pathetic is not giving a straight answer to a simple question.

Either everything is known in advance or it is not.

There is no third option.

Does God know everything in advance or does he not?

Simple yes or no question.

 

The Bible declares the omnipotence of God. All powerful. He can do all things. That is what the Bible means. If God can imagine it He can do it.

Evil is just a will in opposition to the will of God. Yes, God hates evil. Just because He uses it doesn't mean He doesn't hate it. Just because He uses it doesn't mean He won't judge it. He will.

Quantrill

 

I did answer the question. You asked can the future be changed. You or I cannot change it. We don't know it. From God's view, He dictates the future and it will not change.

Are you asking about events, or the salvation of people, or what? In the Bible the 'predestination' really has to do with the believers being conformed into the image of Christ. Election has to do with God knowing and choosing those who are His.

Quantrill

 

From God's view, as I said before, things will go according to His plan. There will be no changing. The only future anyone can know is the yet unfulfilled prophecies in the Bible. And, as I said, it will happen. You cannot change it. The whole world can set itself against the fulfillment of the prophecies of God, and they will still come about.

Quantrill

 

The question is not "what is God's view" or whether or not folks know the future.

The question is one of defining the word predestination.

Predestination means the future can not change. True or False.

 

I did not ask if the future could be changed.

I asked if a future that is "predestined" can be changed.

 

Predestination in the Scripture refers to the believer being conformed into the image of Christ. Rom.8:29, 30 Eph. 1:5,11

Quantrill

 

We are not talking about scripture but if you are using that definition of predestination it is no wonder we can not understand each other. Two different definitions of predestiation.

To clarify things - What word would you like to use that describes the state of knowing the outcome of all future events before they happen ?