There really is a god....

But not as Religious people think...

Nature itself is a god, if you look at it in a certain point of view.

The force of nature has always been and always will be. It drives all aspects of the universe from weather, to to life and death.

It is not a god in the sense that it is some remote father figure with magic powers that goes around making people out of dust, but it does control creation and destruction, life and death, throughout the universe.

 

You have a very eastern view of God. The west tends to have a more anthropomorphic view of God.

 

Because the term "always" is such an extraordinarily long time span, then it is also a claim which you must prove. Beyond the chronicles of man made concepts pertaining to what happened prior to the dawn of man, I believe your evidence is going to be insufficient to support such a claim. Speculations do not count as evidence.

As for you desiring to label the force of nature as a 'god', I will not argue with you on that one... surely, the force of nature is a 'god' however, the force of nature is not "God". "the force of nature" is merely another lesser 'god'. Now for the final whack of the axe in the argument against your claim, I will resort to the atheistic chant pertaining to the existence of 'God',,,,, "where did god come from" "god" being the label you have pinned on 'the force of nature'.

 

The aspects of nature are the same as those of a god. and nature is eternal, it always always existed, forces of nature, such as gravity, were the cause of the big bang. They were in effect even before the creation of the universe.

And I made no speculations. I said that nature is a god, if you look at it from a certain point of view. A god is a being that controls life and nature. Therefore, to a certain point of view, to someone who does not except the existed of a divine god, for example, nature itself can be seen as a god in it's own right, since nature powers and controls itself.

I never speculated that this was true. I merely said that in certain point of views it can be concieved as such.

 

Dag you should read on Gnosticism and Martinism.

http://www.martinism.com/books/books.htm
http://www.hermanubis.com.br/Artigos/artigosen.htm
http://www.sacred-texts.com/gno/index.htm

 

This horse manure is the Adversary's "Jedi mind trick."

 

wow........... an evolution of mind; reasoned thought actually making a quality determination.

Did you come to them terms yourself?

Or did someone else, tell you that is how it is?

I rather like the idea that people could (can) capture enough material information and realize it all by themselves.


Idiots will most always lie to themselves!


ps....... a great thread!

Thank GOD!

 

You may not be happy that Daggdag has found a god (though the reason escapes me), but why call it horse manure?

 

Hey--I'm glad he humbles himself to the reality of something greater than he. However, the error in thinking "the force" is with him is pantheistic religion lite.

Man up and know God, IMO.

 

nature is bigger than all the man created gods

kind of like an idiot thinking 'jesus' is sitting on a thrown, to save you.

exactly!

Nature is the god of all that is............................ and YOU know it!

ie.... you breath, live and EAT of 'its' body

but idiots deny 'god' because they dont know 'god' is that which is everything (nature itself)

 

God is all about perspective. I can actually agree with alot of these points considering in essence they do represent god. Eternal, omniscient, the creator and the destroyer. Nature does all these things. the idea of god got it's origin from people trying to explain the universe around them and explaina cts of nature. So in essence nature is god. Sort of. YOu have no right to proclaim anothers beliefs to be false when you yourself can bring no evidence against such a claim. You can believe in your perspective of god and the OP can believe in theirs.

A very interesting theory though and a great thread.

 

How did you come up with this? I'm just asking don't mean toi come off a jerk here.

Because we can't see this natural force, just like we can't see God.

All we can see is the actions.

So there is as much proof God exists that there is for this natural force.

And maybe God is this natural force. The religious God, that is.

Salam

 

So, in short, Daggdag's god is horse manure because it doesn't fit with your god?

 

Interesting....

When such things is said to a Muslim, you are supportive of them.

Now, they are said to an Athiest and you begin to speak out.



Salam

 

How is ti athiesm if the person inq uestion believes ina diety or god in any form? Supoorting the idea there is no god is one thing but when people begin bickering over which god is the right one it starts getting ridiculous.

Someone may not support the diea of there being a god, by they cans till support the right to believe what you want.

 

have you ever thought that perhaps common sense could unfold the truth of the matter.

but mankind could lie about some dude on a thrown that created the nature which you know in fact is what 'created,' supports, feeds, even warms, nurtures and enables you to exist; nature (the garden itself).

You are just learning 'what' god is and what is funny as then you can be responsible to GOD, directly and then KNOW IT.

quite the contrary; there is zero proof of the manmade god of theology but a world of proof of the nature that made man

No maybe's about it.

You will submit whether you like it or not!

 

NO...Nature isn't horse manure--being luke-warm in faith is horse manure. If God is evident, as the OP seems to be suggesting, relegating this Divine Essence to an amorphous and ultimately meaningless "force" is just a way to not have to deal with the reality of God that is recognized. It's being chicken of what the reality of God calls one to be.

 

Did you know that I think you are a crackpot, and so barely even read your rambling inconsequential posts?

 

I wasn't talking about who's God is right or not.

Maybe I misunderstood the OP but I thought he was saying he believe in nature?

Salam

 

So did the force of nature create the universe then, as well as the Earth therefore creating itself?

We can see nature simply by going outside, but not the force of nature. We can only see the forces actions.

Like with God. We can see God's creations which in part is nature, but not the force of God. Only the actions of Gods forces.

Salam

 

how about LIARS are horse manure; clearly

the only evidence is that 'our creator' is mother nature itself (the garden)

what is meaningless about nature? You would be dead without 'eating from its body"

the few that recognize 'god' are the few that have bridged the fact that their 'everything' is 'nature' itself.

ie... every phenomena is of nature, every breath is of nature, even every description of a heaven or hell, can be experienced and found identifying things of 'nature' (at its roots) (the garden of eden itself, is 'nature')

When mankind divided itself by words from 'god' (nature) he then began to think he was better than god (nature) and of mind, left the garden but of fact, never left, ever.

He just didnt know it. Just as YOU never 'appreciated' what god (nature) has provided. You want MORE.

the reality is the fools are chicken to realize, that they themselves are of GOD (his creations) and living within HIS body, and must be responsible to HIM (the garden).

when each begin to come to terms with these FACTS, then personal responsibility to life, others, all that is and definitely god (the garden itself), will become natural to all mankind.


WE are ONE with GOD (nature) and always have been.

great thread folks and the more to actually step up and share their experience of 'god' (nature itself), then every phenomenon, every miracle, every creation, every 'thing' that exists of 'god' can be described for our children and mankind, forever more.

In Peace and LOVE; thank you!

 

Interesting. When does a god loose meaning? Or, asked in another way: What does it take of a godhead not to become meaningless?

 

If there is a god, it is certainly outside of our ability to fully describe.

The being certainly wouldn't call for the stoning of homosexuals, the deaths of unruly children, or the murder of unbelievers. No such being would so vile.

 

When it is a personal God.

 

Then, as I said earlier, where did the 'forces of nature' come from? Don't know? Want to remain with the unprovable absolute of 'they always were'? To my understanding, existence is a condition of 'cause and effect'. I believe your dilemma is the result of that 'god of the gaps' that the atheists always chant about. If you don't know where something came from, then short of that admission, then all else is speculation mixed with fantasy. You are guilty of believing in something that you cannot explain and offer any proof behind that explanation. You are then reconciled to being one of those 'wingnuts'.