This is the moment when conservatives needs to stand up and fight!

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  1. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    No it's vote for who you want. What fascism huh?
     
  2. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Show all the arrests for possession of weapons in the capital during the riot.
     
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    If you thing raising energy prices three to five fold is going to help any one you live in a really bizarre world.
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Sorry not believing left wing news lies.
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    So nothing then?
     
  6. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    So it's better for some Catholic priests to keep on molesting children than for the Church to listen to Progressives?

    That's akin to my saying that conservatism is basically nothing more than Fascism lite anyway and yes, I would very much prefer conservatism would just disappear if I had the choice.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah, sorry, that's a red herring. I don't think the two have much to do with each other at all.

    Are progressives really telling the church to change in any positive way that conservative Catholics are not already telling the church?
     
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  8. modernpaladin

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    I think you're talking about a different 'fascism' than a lot of folks understand it. According to Webster's: "
    Definition of fascism

    1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

    2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control"

    Literally the only part of that can be demonstrably linked to Trump supporters is nationalism, and thats because they're civic nationalists which has nothing to do with fascism. Trump supporters are far more commonly state rights instead of national authority, local autonomy instead of centralized govt, individual over collective, free speech over suppression of opposition.

    Centralized authority, group>individual, suppressed opposition, economic and social regimentation... these do seem to manifest more and more in a US political party, but it aint Trumpers.

    (and if you feel the need to edit any of this out before you respond, I'll add it back in with my later responses)
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not if CA has anything to say about it
    • New portable generators will be subject to stricter standards by that time, and will be required to meet zero-emissions standards by 2028.
    So unless by 'generator' you meant a wind turbine or solar panels, then no, people cant have their own generators.
     
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    Evidence of firearms in Jan. 6 crowd grows as arrests and trials mount

    During a recent Jan. 6 committee hearing, testimony about armed Trump supporters accompanied police radio reports


    The chatter included reports of a man with an AR-15 in a tree on Constitution Avenue who was accompanied by two men with pistols on their hips. Another officer radioed, “I’ve got three men walking down the street in fatigues carrying AR-15s, copy, at 14th and Independence.”

    The full picture of how many among the crowd were armed before the riot occurred is unclear, but court records, trial testimony and accounts from police officers and rioters have supplied growing evidence that multiple people brought firearms to Washington for Jan. 6, 2021. Six men were arrested that day for having guns in the vicinity of the U.S. Capitol, and a seventh who arrived after the riot ended was arrested the following day. Despite some instances in which alerts about people with guns turned out to be false alarms, accounts from police officers and rioters indicate that many firearms were spotted on Jan. 6 but were not seized as law enforcement focused more on defending the Capitol than on arresting gun-law violators.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/07/08/jan6-defendants-guns/

    Yes, Capitol Rioters Were Armed. Here Are The Weapons Prosecutors Say They Used

    But a review of the federal charges against the alleged rioters shows that they did come armed, and with a variety of weapons: stun guns, pepper spray, baseball bats and flagpoles wielded as clubs. An additional suspect also allegedly planted pipe bombs by the headquarters of the Democratic and Republican parties the night before the riot and remains at large.

    Federal court records, included in NPR's database of more than 300 criminal cases, allege that at least three dozen people who took part in the riot used or possessed some kind of weapon that day.


    This number is likely a low estimate of the total number of weapons that rioters brought with them. As the Justice Department has noted in court filings, "no crowd member submitted to security screenings or weapons checks by Capitol Police or other authorized security officials." Most of the people who stormed the Capitol were not arrested during the riot itself. Many are still at large.
    https://www.npr.org/2021/03/19/9778...ere-are-the-weapons-prosecutors-say-they-used


     
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    Indiana Man Pleads Guilty to Carrying a Gun and Assaulting Law Enforcement Officers in Jan. 6 Capitol Breach
    https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/...and-assaulting-law-enforcement-officers-jan-6


    Prosecutors have charged a fourth Capitol riot defendant with a firearms violation
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/january-6-capitol-riot-firearm-guy-reffitt/

    The deadly insurrection attempt at the Capitol on January 6, 2021 was fueled, in part, by gun rights extremists who brought their firepower to Washington to stop the certification of the electoral college votes. At least nine people who were at or around the Capitol were arrested on weapons charges. A review of the police reports related to the arrests show that police seized at least 3,071 rounds of ammunition during the course of these arrests. Hundreds of rounds of additional ammo were found during the subsequent arrests of other individuals who participated.
    https://www.everytown.org/were-guns-present-at-the-january-6th-capitol-insurrection/

    The total number of people who carried firearms with them that day may not ever be fully accounted for because the majority of those involved in the siege weren’t arrested on-site but were tracked down by law enforcement days, weeks and months later.


     
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    Progressives and everybody else,
     
  13. Polydectes

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    Some rumors and hearsay? And one guy kind of sort of nearby Maybe with six firearms that were in the trunk of a car.

    So nothing.

    Isn't bringing a gun into a federal building a federal crime?
     
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    So it was just people that were kind of around.

    Seems bullshit.
     
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    Given that about 1 in every 100 Americans carry a gun with them everywhere they go every day, it sounds like the 'armed insurrection' at the capitol still had less arms than any busy sidewalk anywhere in the nation on any random afternoon.

    Worst 'armed insurrection' ever.
     
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    Is that what the Russians want dessiminated now?
     
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    ''The total number of people who carried firearms with them that day may not ever be fully accounted for because the majority of those involved in the siege weren’t arrested on-site but were tracked down by law enforcement days, weeks and months later.''
     
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    So we'll just presume all of them were armed... Im sure the thousands of hours of unreleased video the feds are hoarding show teams of commandos with machine guns strafing the building and such, its just too scary for us civvies to handle, right?
     
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    So assumptions that some were carrying firearms, but there are also assumptions that some also carried protein bars, Twinkies and other food paraphernalia....

    Think of the absurdity of the statement you quoted. Please.
     
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    Told of armed rallygoers on Jan. 6, Trump called for relaxed security

    President Trump was repeatedly warned about armed rallygoers on Jan. 6, and he responded by calling for the Secret Service to reduce security so he could have a larger audience for his speech that preceded the violent attack on the Capitol, lawmakers revealed Tuesday in a hurried meeting of the House select committee investigating the insurrection.

    “I don’t effing care that they have weapons. They are not here to hurt me. Take the effing mags away. Let my people in. They can march to the Capitol from here," Trump said, according to Hutchinson.
    https://www.courthousenews.com/jan-6-committee-convenes-surprise-hearing-to-tackle-new-evidence/
     
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  21. Golem

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    I think you made a typo there. What you probably meant to say was "Hamina hamina hamina..."
     
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    Such a well elocuted statement.

    What is absurd about calling it an assumption, when it is exactly that?
     
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    How about the 16 arrested so far for carrying firearms during The Orange Stain Insurrection Jan 6th?

    At least 85 people are charged with carrying or using a weapon during the Capitol riots, according to BuzzFeed News’ analysis of court records.

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/zoetillman/capitol-riot-weapons-charges
     
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    So, did you read your article?

    Near the Capital, not participating in the riot, not all firearms, days after the event.

    I guess if one really wants to stretch it, they can find excuses.
     
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    Yep, have seen that with The Orange Stains "Circus" for years now
     

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