Today, 135 years since the birth of Joseph Stalin.

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  1. Destroyer of illusions

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    The more facts about Stalin and his era will know, more grandiose looks figure of this great genius. For me - attitude to Stalin - a measure of the mind and integrity: anti-Stalinist - it is either illiterate fool, either a scoundrel. There is no third.

    In early November 1945, Churchill said in the House of Commons speech in which he said in part about Stalin: "I personally can not feel anything else, besides the greatest admiration, respect to this truly great man, the father of his country, who ruled his destiny the country in times of peace and defender during the victorious war "

    Averell Harriman, the US ambassador to the USSR in 1943-1946 gg .:about Stalin "... He has in-depth knowledge, a fantastic ability to go into details, mental alertness and amazingly keen understanding of human nature ... I have found that he it is better informed than Roosevelt, more realistic than Churchill, and in a certain sense, the most effective of the military leaders "

    Roosevelt about Stalin at the conference in Tehran in late 1943. "This man knows how to act. His goal is always before his eyes. Working with him - a pleasure. No beating about the bush. It has a thick low voice, he speaks slowly, seems very confident, unhurried - in general, makes a strong impression"

    Hitler about Stalin "In his political and military qualities Stalin far superior and Churchill and Roosevelt. It is the only world politician worthy of respect."

    How do you feel about the personality of Joseph Stalin?
    If you do not like Stalin, Please do not write stupid propaganda. Write to the facts. We postorayus to understand.

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    Stalin is perhaps the only 20th century political leader that I can't form a "final evaluation" on. His achievements and failures are so dramatic and yet so balanced that he pretty much comes out "neutral", as in he did as much "good" as "bad".

    The one thing that I don't think he deserves credit for is the defeat of Nazi Germany. I think it's more fair to say that the USSR won the war despite Stalin than because of Stalin. In fact, it is often said that the greatest contribution to the war effort made by Stalin was to stay out of it, and leave it to his generals starting in 1942. Hitler lost precisely cause he began to intercede more and more as the war went on.
     
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    trucker Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    interesting painful upbringing and deform toe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syndactyly
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin
     
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    Joseph Stalin= scumbag piece of (*)(*)(*)(*) dictator who should have been aborted.

    its sick that Russia worships him like a God, just as Nazis worshipped Hitler.
     
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    You're right. That's it. But with the head his was all right.
    Admiral Isakov with 1938 was Deputy People's Commissar of the Navy. One day in 1946, Stalin called him and said that it is believed to appoint him as Chief of the Naval Staff, in the year renamed the General Staff of the Navy.
    Isakov said: "Comrade Stalin, I must report that I have a serious drawback: one leg amputated."
    "This is the only drawback, which you think is necessary to report?" - Followed by the question.
    "Yes" - confirmed Admiral.
    "Sometimes to chief of staff be without a head. Nothing, worked. You have no legs only - it is not scary, "- concluded Stalin.

    Once foreign correspondents asked Stalin:
    - Why is the coat of arms of Armenia, Mount Ararat, but it is not on the territory of Armenia?
    Stalin replied:
    - The emblem of the Turkish - crescent, and he, too, is not on the territory of Turkey.

    with the head his was all right.
     
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    Arguments as usual - not? Only hysteria? ....Interestingly, all Jews were ungrateful? Because they are alive thanks to Stalin.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Stalin made a friendship deal with Hitler that let Hitler build Treblink and other death camps.

    Stalin stood by as millions of Jews were put into ghettos and murdered.

    If Stalin was not a coward, millions of Jews would not have died.

    Stalin= Nazi collaborator.
     
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    Yep, he was a pretty good killer.

    Kill tally: Approximately 20 million, including up to 14.5 million needlessly starved to death. At least one million executed for political "offences". At least 9.5 million more deported, exiled or imprisoned in work camps, with many of the estimated five million sent to the 'Gulag Archipelago' never returning alive. Other estimates place the number of deported at 28 million, including 18 million sent to the 'Gulag'.
     
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    Churchill said: "I get up in the morning and pray to Stalin was alive. Only Stalin could save the world"
     
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    Stalin killed more civilians than Hitler.
     
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    Back in 2009:

    Russia’s president, Dmitri A. Medvedev, warned Friday that Russians had lost their sense of horror over Stalin’s purges, and called for the construction of museums and memorial centers devoted to the atrocities, as well as further efforts to unearth and identify the dead.
     
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    A map of the Gulag camps, which existed between 1923 and 1961, based on data from Memorial, a human rights group. Some of these camps operated only for a part of the Gulag's existence.
     
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    not only have Russians forgoten about Stalin's crimes, they now love Stalin as a God.
     
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    This does not belong to important news. His death was a more important event, though.
     
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    "Arhipelag Gulag" - fiction. With the same success you can refer, for example on "Star Wars." As an argument.
    In the USSR, in 1937 (the "the worst year" according to anti-Stalinists) was less the prisoners than now in the US. Therefore do not believe the false propaganda. Think. Myths about wine Stalin in hunger I have repeatedly refuted in this forum. If you are interested in it - look for yourself. I'm tired of writing the same thing.
     
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    Ha ha ha ha. Very funny. You refer to a "foreign agent"? All you have to quote Jen Psak. Very funny.
     
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    It is better that one million extra Jews were terminated, than several extra millions of Russians were killed and Soviet Union collapsed in 1939.
    I doubt that you would live now.
     
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    Yeah, it's all fiction. LOL Dead men don't talk.
     
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    sounds just like Holocaust Denial.
     
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    Like the Bible/Qur'an, he did not believe in democracy and advocated torture, so of course any freedom seeking individual should condemn him (and those two books as well.)

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    Unless they are from Nazareth, apparently.....
     
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    I assume that if Mohammad (Banu Qurayza), and Moses (Numbers 31:13-18 ), and Elijah (1 Kings 18:40), had THE ABILITY to kill that many, that they would have done so because in those examples they killed ALL of the people who offended them in that particular situation, correct? They just didn't have the OPPORTUNITY to do that.
     
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    The Soviets (I mean the Russians) voted in the UN to make it illegal to honor or celebrate the Nazis.

    ....and yet they celebrate Stalin every day.

    Russia=hypocrisy.
     
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    Likewise, Europeans and Americans lost sense of horror of Hitler's mass murders.
     
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    Stalin was a winner of WWII, do you like it or not. Besides, he was an ally of Churchill and Roosevelt. He helped to finish Japan. Hitler was a miserable looser all the way.
     
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    And today Russia has more neo-nazis than the rest of the world combined... And way too many Stalinists who seem to get alone with Neo-nazis just fine, just like in 1939
     

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