Today, 135 years since the birth of Joseph Stalin.

The Holocaust is a myth?

so where did the more than 5 million Jews go?

 

Ronstar, could you explain why Hitler would not invaded Poland if he did not have a pact with Stalin? The plan to start a military operation against Poland was developed in April 1939 (Fall Weiss), and the pact with the USSR was signed on 23.08 1939. Looks like Hitler planned everything in advance.Taking into account that Hitler had already annexed Czechoslovakia by that time, I have every reason to believe that independently of the pact, the war of Germany with Poland was unavoidable.

 

without a non-aggression pact with Stalin, Hitler has no assurences that an invasion of Poland would not be met by a Soviet counter-offensive.

not only did Stalin NOT stand in the way of Hitler invading Poland, the Soviets gave the Nazis lots of supplies, equipment, and intelligence to help them survive the Allied embargos.

 

Stalin was a weasel who worked with Bukharin to get rid of Trotsky (and others) and then got rid of Bukharin.

Stalin was extremely paranoid and centralized all authority in his stupid party-state system. He also used the NKVD to get rid of any perceived rivals. He used his party officers to force his will and snitch on each other.

His economic policies were stupid. What he did to his troops and veterans was inhumane. What he did to all victims of the gulags was inhumane.

The OP is nothing, but an apologist for a monster who should never have been allowed to take power of a nation.

 

The US should have followed Patton's lead and nuked Moscow and Stalingrad into the stone age as well as Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

 

He can't prove, because this lies...

Disputes and contradictions on Stalin don't stop and now. Some people hate it, others consider Stalin as outstanding identity. Of course, the majority of the statement try to present Stalin - only according to the negative image. It isn't surprising, opposition of capitalist idea, fight against communistic idea of 100 years. Defenders of supporters of Stalinism, speak bad and good about Stalin. Good - considers advantage - construction of the great power of the USSR and defeat of fascist Germany.
Fight - in the first years communistic, International with internal enemies, usually belongs to the bad. These are prisons, arrests, murders. Anyway
numbers of losses at the time of Stalin are very overestimated and overestimated from the very beginning of formation of the USSR, both by western opponents, and by internal. External - the western revaluation of losses, I think, is clear to all. About internal not all know (they were a little advertized.) - in the USSR, there were many former, well rich people in tsarism after revolution, they joined working class... As they were more formed, they took the leading positions the statistics connected and taking into account. There is a number of documents when officials didn't provide the birth certificate of the person, but wrote down the dead. (also other manipulations), Then when the statistics gathered in one place and it was published, the West, it propagandized in the USSR huge mortality, etc. (being afraid that to them there won't arrive influence of communistic idea), Internal enemies of construction of communism consciously did false statistics and advanced it...(it also belongs and to hard times - to Famine-Genocide.)

The report to the management of the USSR. About the accounting of the natural movement of the population... (such notes there is a lot of from many regions)

 

Bravo!..... In this forum, Stalin's opponents have nothing to prove. I offered them to do so many times. Nobody can prove it.
People zombified Western media. People behave as well, as behave members of totalitarian sects. They do not need proof. They to believe their "master." Which very often is a fraud. People have forgotten how to think.

 

A lot of Chinese still admire Mao.
Why is it that still a lot of people admire a former dictator?
Has to do with emotion (and thus survival), propaganda and leadership, that is so strong (emotional) in the admirers, that they became blind for the realities that happend, their (together with their henchmen) atrocities and genocides.
People start to admire leaders with such deep emotion, that they start to see them as gods and start to worship them.
People forget that dictators were not the top of power in those utopic systems (did not had the last word, all had advisors aka spindoctors), behind every dictator was an elite or a group or a group of henchmen, the real dictators (the hard core psychopaths)
Every dictator was a political figure (almost like a messiah for millions), because this has to do with survival (people feel secure in hierarchy and a strong leader, when that leader figure yells it works even better, because yelling generates more emotion, so the stronger an hierarchy gets, and the more people that start to submit to that leader figure.
So what looks insane is very natural (in North Korea such artificial hierarchy is still in place, no wonder the newsreader has such a harsh voice, because emotion is power) People have a natural 'flaw', the fear of someone else emotion (domination), so they start to submit. Dominators speak in a more treaten way, so with more emotion, that is putting fear in people (so a lot of people start to submit)
Survival and psychology, very important to study in times like today (the focus is on emotion, so the people are in trouble once again)
That is why the police is militarized and wear dark uniforms, to hope that a majority submits, and when that succeeds, a new hierarchy is in place, and a nation and freedom can end to exist. If a majority understands what is going on, and how that works, it can not happen that easy.
The new movements that start to emerge everywere in the world are the most fearful people (they have submitted) The world may look modern, but people's brain are the same (no 'modernisation' of the mind, because that takes an evolution)

 

rusofob

 

you deny Stalin's tens of millions of murders and persecutions, just as you deny the Holocaust.

this is why Russia is hated.

 

Again you write nonsense. I asked you many times - show proof.
As for the so-called "Holocaust." Jews, according to the Nuremberg investigation, killed 6 million people. Russian were killed - more than 20 million people. Chinese killed about 35 million people. Indian citizens from hunger, which provoked Churchill in the 1940s, - were killed 60 million people. You think the 6 million Jews are more important, than 20 million Russian, or 35 million Chinese, or 60 million citizens of India? I do not think so. The Holocaust - a global fraud.

 

12 million civilians died in the Holocaust.

around 6 million were Jews.

Stalin killed a lot more people.

 

You killed a lot more people than Stalin why not ...

 

As I stated before, America should have taken out Stalin by nuking Moscow and Stalingrad as well. Patton was right about the USSR

 

I did?

 

You told lies about Stalin, I told lies about you-you and Stalin equal murderers!

 

How much can you? You are not tired of writing nonsense? Or is it your mantra? ....Once again - can you prove it?

 

Russian government says tens of millions died under Stalin

 

People need to put this apologist on ignore and better the forum.

 

With this no one disputes. During the Second World War (which was under Stalin) died more than 20 million Russian people. But they were not killed by Stalin. They were victims of genocide the Nazis from around the world.
I hope you know that all of Europe under the Nazi banner - of fighting against the Soviet Union?

 

Ostriches, for example, bury their heads in the sand. Maybe you try it?

 

Historians working after the Soviet Union's dissolution have estimated victim totals ranging from approximately 4 million to nearly 10 million, not including those who died in famines.[115][116][117] Russian writer Vadim Erlikman, for example, makes the following estimates: executions, 1.5 million; gulags, 5 million; deportations, 1.7 million out of 7.5 million deported; and POWs and German civilians, 1 million – a total of about 9 million victims of repression.[118]

Some have also included the deaths of 6 to 8 million people in the 1932–1933 famine among the victims of Stalin's repression. This categorization is controversial however, as historians differ as to whether the famine was a deliberate part of the campaign of repression against kulaks and others,[60][119][120][121][122] or simply an unintended consequence of the struggle over forced collectivization.[76][123][124]

Accordingly, if famine victims are included, a minimum of around 10 million deaths—6 million from famine and 4 million from other causes—are attributable to the regime,[125] with a number of recent historians suggesting a likely total of around 20 million, citing much higher victim totals from executions, Gulag camps, deportations and other causes.[126][127][128][129][130][131][132] Adding 6–8 million famine victims to Erlikman's estimates above, for example, would yield a total of between 15 and 17 million victims. Researcher Robert Conquest, meanwhile, has revised his original estimate of up to 30 million victims down to 20 million.[133] In his most recent edition of The Great Terror (2007), Conquest states that while exact numbers may never be known with complete certainty, the various terror campaigns launched by the Soviet government claimed no fewer than 15 million lives.[134] RJ Rummel maintains that the earlier higher victim total estimates are correct, although he includes those killed by the Soviet government in other Eastern European countries as well

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin#Calculating_the_number_of_victims

 

Erlikman - very funny. Jew telling about the "horrors" of the Gulag. Where 100% chiefs - were Jews. The system itself Gulag camps invented Jew - naphthalene Frankel. As well, you can refer to Herbert Wells or Paul Anderson. Or Edgar Allan Poe. For "evidence."
Jews write and do only what suits them. For example, finance the Nazis in Ukraine. As a Jew Kolomoysky, Jew Yatsenyuk, Jew Turchynov and so on. And they spit on the "holocaust". When the beneficial natural.
Or can destroy their own country, as a Jew, Trotsky, a Jew Lenin and others.
Do not you think that you have time to think before you write?

 

you didn't even try to refute their claims.

instead you went on a pathetic anti-Jew rant.

meanwhile you call Ukrainians "Nazis".

irony

 

Do not distort the facts. I'm telling you the facts. You can easily check. You refer to the "historian-fiction." And You want to I take on faith the words of the historian-imbecile? This is ridiculous. Besides, I do not sectarian. I can think of.
And your favorite method to talk about anti-Semitism is no longer valid. Jews have done a lot of evil to mankind. (Suffice it to recall the villains Trotsky, Lenin Rothschild, Warburg and others. And by the way the Torah - the Practical Guide fascism. Which divide people into Jews and ostolnoe as it says "cattle"). So your reference to anti-Semitism - is ridiculous.

In addition, you will agree, looks ridiculous to refer to a Jew who accuses Russia of "barbarism." At the same time the Jews had created the entire repressive apparatus in the USSR.

Once again - you learn to think.