'True lies of new Atheism'.

how is that? Can you show any time, place or period where NATURE does not or DID not exist?

Where, when and how is that? ie.... the only place you can show the idea is from a book called genesis but whether it is the bottom of the ocean, in space or even in the earth crust miles down, life is there.

You have nothing to start your beginning, except by a book.

never was a point in any time except of the book 'genesis'

ie.... all three of them claims are crap

the proof is, your whole idea of that 'creation' is from ONE book (genesis)

there is nothing else you can use to sustain your belief

and then, you did not witness 'in the beginning' so basically your whole line of BS is simply from an egyptian belief that was created by a pharoah (god to the people who lived in that simple state of mind)

ie.... you purely use your breathing as a privilage to false witness (as a liar)

and the purpose of any use of 'the word' is to enable each to truth.

but a liar, will lie with the incorporeal crap of bullsheet

I just exposed the trade secret; liars use their breath to further the lies of belief.

in this case, what a pharoah taught his constituents.

 

and a liar furthers the lies

ie.... your whole line of crap, is from a book 'genesis' being your beginning

 

You really do have a reading comprehension problem. Let me repeat my last statement to you:

"Now pay attention to this one. In your request for examples, you failed to contain within that request 'proof' of my claim... So any subsequent requests are hereby denied as privileged information. Privileged only to those who are the called according to His purpose. Ya know kinda like Corporate secrets... cannot divulge those 'trade secrets'."

 

You ought to know. Where is your proof of God being "mother nature"....???

 

One can not prove God nevermind prove that God is Mother nature.

I am still trying to figure out how the spectacled bear made it back to South America from the Ark.

Since there was no food after the flood what did all these animals eat .. and if they ate each other the species eaten would go extinct.

Since the flood ended roughly 2100-2400, where did all the people that existed at that time come from ?

Try starting with questions that one has a hope of finding some proof for.

 

Learn to speak their language and then ask one of them... maybe then you will figure it out.

 

There is no need to speak their language to realize that it is impossible for a spectacled bear to swim from Mesopotamia to South America.

 

There you go speculating again. Who said that they swam? Where does it say in the Bible that they swam? You are the only one suggesting that they swam or inferred that they had a need to swim. Prove your claim that they did swim or that they had to swim.

 

I think it's funny that some of you think you were ever winning a debate about the existence of god.

I like the part where you act like atheism is a belief in something, when it is really just a denial of a ridiculous assertion.

That is rich.

 

"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

 

I can't change the fact that you choose to see lies where there are not.

only you can do that.

 

If you think for one second that evidence matters at all to any religious person and you have fooled yourself.

If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people.

 

But absence of evidence is absence of evidence. And lacking evidence, I have no reason to believe.

 

This is an excessive statement. What about Martin Gardner or Kenneth R. Miller, quick examples off the top of my head.

 

The Bible does not say how these animals got back or how they survived with no food. The writers of the flood story had not considered these things.

How else to you suggest that these bears (and all the other animals except birds) made it home.

You can believe in the impossible if you wish.. It is easy to take the "cop out" stance .... God did it.

If God did it .. then why did God bother with the flood at all .. he could have just snapped his fingers killing all the bad people and leaving nature alone.

The reality is that the flood story is much older than the Bible, a myth that was written down and retold over many generations and probably does have some basis in fact. Flooding of cities when sea level rose after the last ice for example.

The flood ended sometime from 2100-2400BC.. we have flood stories written down that predate this period.

 

Perhaps the writers were not concerned with such matters. Hmmm?

Perhaps God transported them ... http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,482264,00.html . God is just a little bit smarter and a whole lot more capable than mankind.

Why not? Man is trying to learn the same techniques... see above link.

Ask God. Who would know better than Him?

The reality is that you were not there to witness the event so you cannot say for certain that there was no flood, or when the flood actually took place.

Yet in the above emphasized text, you state in a matter of fact expression that the flood did actually occur. So which one was the real 'flood' as spoken of in the Bible? You don't know for certain?

 

There are floods that have occurred .. but none covering the whole world as the Bible states within the last 5000 years.

If there was such a flood such as the Bible states then there should be an explanation for:

1) how the animals got back and how they survived with no food
2) Why we have continuous writing and history of many cultures thoughout the period of 2100-2400BC .. when the flood was supposed to have happened.
3) Why there is no disconnect of racial lines during this period
4) Why there is no record in ice cores or any other Geologic method
5) Why Noah is not mentioned after Genesis even though he lives into Abrahams time
6) Why none of the other cultures never mention that the Grandfathers (Noah and sons) of all humanity are still living and yet they worship their own leaders, (such as Sargon) as Gods.

Your only answer to all these questions "God did it" is a denial of reality.

Do you really think God took the time to erase the historical and archaological records of his actions ?

Why would God tell man to write the story of the flood .. and then erase all records and evidence of this flood so as to make the writer of Genesis look stupid.

God is then playing a joke on all humanity !

If God is playing a joke .. then why would you take the Bible so seriously ?

 

If God is so capable, why not just make everything instantly die that he wanted to die and skip this whole pointless flood business?

 

Ask God. I am not your mediator.

 

Oh? Did they have evidence that lead them to believe in god?

No, they didn't.

 

What is 'reality' but a matter of perception which is subjective?
What evidence do you have that God erased anything? "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

I take the Bible seriously because of my faith in God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Why do you NOT take the Bible seriously?

 

Because there is no evidence that the Bible is a moral authority. There is no evidence that I should live my life by its words. There is no evidence that it was inspired by god. There is no evidence that any god has ever existed. There is the exact same amount of evidence for literally every other holy text that has ever existed.

It is illogical to believe in god. Faith lets you believe in something without having a reason to believe.

 

So basically if you can't prove God exists and they can't prove he doesn't then you win?


Oookaaay!?

 

Moderate Atheism is a neutral solution. No harm done, the universe needs differing beliefs to run as a natural law system. Radical atheism is an viral infection and must be wiped out with theism and the truth of Gods existence. So in my universe God is the ultimate truth and so its my responsibility to tell anyone I meet I am a Christian etc. I am not offended if someone walks up to me or in conversation tells me he is an atheist, so why should anyone be offended by someone saying he or she is Christian? I already know the answer but please humor me?

reva

 

YOU don't have to live YOUR life by Christian ideals, unless you claim Christianity. You may want to define your own morals. As long as you do not violate any laws of the land you are ok. So that means that 'yourself' and the 'state' will define all of your morals, they are your absolute authority. I just happen to trust God i.e. the bible much more than the state and myself to set my morals.

Wrong, wrong, wrong! Ha ha~I think I will throw up if I hear that ignorant lie one more time! There is evidence for the existence of God. Most simply deny it though. Just Google evidence for Gods existence. Then you have to pick out the better evidences out of the zillion hits you will get. There is as much evidence for the existence of God as to exactly why you are self conscious.

reva