'True lies of new Atheism'.

So where is the lie that was spoken about by Bishadi? I have consistently stated that "I talk to God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit".

 

Your obligation to admit the truth is to yourself, not to me. I can't relive you of that obligation.

That wasn't a compliment.

Yup, one atheist having an idea has completely released you and every other religious person in the world from having to use logic to validate their statements.

 

Since you cite Jesus and the Holy Ghost as primary sources .. then you should at least prove that they actually exist.

We both know that you have no ability to get answers to questions from either of your spirit guides and so your primary source is something you have made up.

You have no "first person witness to historical events".

Admitting this would be the first step along the path of truth.

 

Ummm .. not to point out the obvious, but some might consider your claim that Jesus tells you about history during your daily conversations with him

..... Living in a Fantasy world.

Getting Jesus to fess up about how the Spectacled bear made it from the Ark back to South America might turn some doubters into believers.

 

That TRUTH already is resident in my being. I am certainly glad that you cannot relieve me of that obligation of admitting to myself the TRUTH that resides in me.

To me it was.



Yup, one atheist having an idea has completely released you and every other religious person in the world from having to use logic to validate their statements.
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"The burden of proof is on the ones that come up with the idea."

That, good sir, is more than just "one atheist having an idea..."; That is a declarative statement... a statement alluding to a FACT.

 

Since some of the Atheists and non-theists on this forum also lay a positive claim to the existence of such things as an electron and a photon, then they should also at least prove that they actually exist. Do they offer that proof??? No! Then why should I offer any proof?

Wrong! All you have is a suspicion. I have the answers to the questions that I have sought for an answer. The remainder of your statement amounts to nothing more than your own personal opinion. You should know what opinions are like.

Ah! A positive claim from you. Where is your proof of what witnesses I have to historical events?

Making an admission to such irrational statements that you have made, would be a betrayal to that TRUTH that resides in my being.

 

Ahhhh... touche'..... well stated... On the other side of that same coin... do you think I am any in the least degree concerned about what "some" would consider? Especially since me and 'some' operate on different philosophies.

Then those doubters should make inquiry directed to that same source which I have utilized. If they don't make such inquiry, or if they make a mocking gesture of having made such an inquiry, then they likewise don't deserve an answer to their inquiry.

 

you can talk to pink elephants like a drunk, if you believe in the incorporeal BS of your own mind.

And apparently you do!

that means you live in a fantasy world of garbage, while wasting our oxygen.

then stop breathing and do us all a favor

we all can see that; lying to yourself, while causing lies to further (causing a loss to the common) by your choice of actions

your type is not eternal.

what you personally are doing will be like a hitlers actions; the idiocracy that people will remember to hate.

You are being an example of what is bad of religious adherance; lying to yourself and living a dream world with zero care to whom you harm and whom you damage along the way.

so is peyote, dood

i did, and evolved to realize what i was doing was not for life, for others or for anything but my own pride and selfishness.

I dont think you will grow up in time, personally.

 

You final introductory expression contained in that last statement forms a most excellent summary of all that you have stated prior to that final sentence.... You "don't think". You parrot what others have told you.

 

Two things to the OP (and his fellow travelers):

1. How can you expect anyone to prove a negative (i.e., prove that God doesn't exist)?

2. As a person of faith, why do you care that other people believe differently? It's none of your friggin' business, simply put. Live and let live.

 

Before one can make a determination as to the existence of (per your example) 'God'; There is the need to know exactly what 'God' really is. In other words, there must be a definition established wherein ALL of the attributes of 'God' are clearly defined and where there can be absolutely NO additional attributes added at a later date which could conceivably alter the Absolute Nature of 'God'. Do you have such a definition available that would allow everyone to start looking for the same entity?

Who suggested that there was a 'care' factor involved within the group that you describe as [in the plural] "a person of faith.."; which 'care' factor is focused on an issue that "other people believe differently"? Speaking as a 'person of faith', I could care less that you might believe differently than me. That is your inherent privilege and right.

Likewise, it would be "none of your friggin' business" as to how 'others believe'; why others believe in what they believe; Those others believe what they believe. Live and let live. BTW: "live", by definition, infers that the entity that lives is full of activity, with no qualifications or restrictions placed on the form or type of activity.

 

This is humorous and an example of you dodging the truth .. what someone can prove or disprove has no bearing on your claims.

You have no way to prove the spirits you converse with are not Demons tricking you.

You "claim" a primary first person source (your conversations with Jesus and the Holy Spirit) .. yet you can not get an answer to a simple question.

How did the Spectacled bear make it from the Ark to South America ?

Your continued dodges only increase that suspicion.

What is true is that you have no idea who your spirit guides are.

The proof is:

1) that you can not back up your claims
2) that your claims to not pass the "giggle test"

The truth is that you are not able prove even to yourself the identity of your spirit guides .. nevermind prove it to others.

 

Well, that little rule, idea, notion (whatever label you want to stick on it) goes both ways.

Wrong! Your suggestion shows the level of ignorance you possess with regard to the Bible. Why? Because it has been related on this forum several times about the testing methodologies that are executed.

No! You are claiming a "primary first cause person source".. I have never used the phrase "primary first cause source". I do however claim to have conversations with Jesus and the Holy Spirit. You are again Wrong in your assertion that I "cannot get an answer to a simple question." What I have stated is that I have no interest in knowing the answer to those questions that you keep throwing out there. I have also informed you that if you want to know the answer to those questions, then you should request the information from a source that would know the answer.... ie.... Jesus or the Holy Spirit or God. I further stated that I am not your mediator and that your concerns about God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, or even those silly bears from South America are things that exist between you and that knowledgeable source.

 

great post.

I wish these people who go on about their personal relationship with God would keep it personal.

whether they believe in God, Allah, Krishna, the FSM or whatever doesn't matter - its how they act that is important.

and if all the "christians" engaged in "christian" behaviour, the world would be a better place.

 

Wish in one hand and poop in the other and see which gets filled first.

I notice you gave an undefined item in the list of potential beliefs. That one that is undefined is 'whatever'. Could that 'whatever' be Atheism? The final clause in your statement above also described with the verb 'act', indicates the possibility of a performance of a make believe scenario, thus making a false reality for you to observe or perceive; and to you that is what is perceived as 'important'? Interesting, indeed.

And if all the Atheists engaged in "christian" behavior, the world would be a better place.

 

as usual, you make sense only to yourself.

 

Atheism is an extreme non-belief in something that can't be disproven.

That's a very good question and a good motto.

 

I will simply accept your comment as a complimentary expression based on the fact that you recognize that very few people on this forum are able to comprehend the spiritual things that I speak about. I already knew that, but thanks for the observation anyway. If some of the people (withholding specific identities) were to merely give just a little bit of thought to some of the things that I say, then they too would be able to comprehend the things that I speak about.

 

sigh.

no it is not. atheism is absence of belief in God.

what is extreme about that?

 

yes.

it is not uncommon to find this is the case when a person is prone to experiencing delusions.

I guess we need to be patient until the episode has passed.

 

And yet another compliment. Wow! You are turning out to be a really caring and special woman. Thanks again. But don't worry, there will be no passing, as my experiences are not delusional. They are very 'REAL'.

 

yes. people experiencing delusions usually think that.

 

There are only so many ways in which I can express my gratitude for the seemingly never-ending complimentary expressions coming from you. So few ways to make those expressions of gratitude, that I am beginning to think that you are either experiencing a desire toward worshiping me, else you are experiencing a shortage of more positive things to speak about. BE noticed however, that if you persist in these ruminations that cause your continual expressions of compliments being directed at me, I will of necessity be forced to place you on my ignore list, and will only allow my random monitoring of your posts in an attempt to move you forward to a more productive life experience.

 

this too is not unusual.

 

Indeed. The extremism is in believing in something which cannot not be proven.