Trump failed to secure the border. What makes you think he will succeed if re-elected?

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  1. robini123

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    Illegal immigration is a problem many Americans on the left, right and center want a solution to. Trump said he would build a wall and make Mexico pay for it. This did not happen. What makes you think he will succeed securing the border this time if re-elected?
     
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    Trump will do better because he will create the perception that he will do better and less people will turn up at the border, due to the perception that they won't get in. At least, that's what happened last time.

    But if you look at the numbers Trump let more stay, proportionately, than Biden. So technically Trump didn't do better at all.

    Trump is much better at messaging than Biden. Certainly to his base. This is a pity, because Biden actually does a decent job as President, and is certainly substantially more capable than Trump. However he is terrible at messaging.
     
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    It is going to be disappointing if Trump supporters don’t chime in as illegal immigration is an important issue with the MAGA crowd. Even more, most Americans want better border security and I am one of those people. What I don’t want are more empty promises from either political party.

    Time for meaningful change. I am afraid all we will get this election cycle is more hyperbole.
     
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    Trump's "messaging" does not work on everyone. He caters to his followers. "messaging" only creates and illusion. So, it is doubtful that Trump will do much better than he did last time. (IF elected). Biden may not be the orator of the century........but he communicates what is practical , what he can do and what he is trying to do. He is anchored in reality. Biden is not glamorous. Unfortunately, he is dealing with a culture where appearances are everything.....however shallow . He is for substance. The border issue would have been on the path to being corrected. But the Trumpers put a stop to it. They have no one but themselves to blame. As Trump used his influence to stop that bill, one can presume he is NOT interested in solving the problem, but is only interested in playing politics that don't favor the nation, but favor him alone.
    (btw: his "messaging" is on a very juvenile level ....and that speaks volumes about the man )
     
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    He didn't get those two particular policies through for obvious reasons. That would require legislation and the GOP Congress of that time had zero interest in Trump's priorities. He did get through a lot of executive actions that did a pretty good job of lowering illegal immigration however. I assume at a bare minimum, if elected he would put back this executive actions on the border. Obviously things are likely to continue as they are if he's not elected, and since he's not likely to be elected, just expect more of the same sort of border chaos that we've had.
     
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    He had plenty of good policies that the moron who is in there now stopped on day one or close to it.... Like the remain in Mexico policy.

    Suddenly Mexico thought it was a good idea not to be letting so many people through their southern border when they realized that they would have to keep them in their country instead of just allowing their country to be a highway to our border.
     
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    Yea, Biden refuses to enforce the law so the left’s answer is Trump didn’t do better, which is BS. George Orwell’s observations apply to the modern left are 100% spot on.
     
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    I tend to agree with you here Mike. Yet I tire of Trump’s empty promises. I would prefer he do a realistic assessment of the issue as opposed to leading impotent campaign chants of build the wall and make Mexico pay for it. But that was 2016. Here in 2024 I hear fear mongering from him but no actual policy that could address the border problem.

    Trump is about divide and conquer. Unfortunately for him the solution requires bipartisanship and compromise, both dirty words as far as I can tell in the MAGA camp. I assume as a previous poster does, that his firm illegal immigration rhetoric will mitigate illicit immigration like it did when he was last in office. Yet this will not solve the problem and whatever he does will likely be undone by the next Democrat President after him.

    As for Trump’s chances this election, to my befuddlement I think he will likely win.
     
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    This shows the need for bipartisanship. Although that seems unlikely which is immensely frustrating to me.
     
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    Three card monty still catches some peeps?!
     
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    I'll settle for a more secure border other than a completely secured border over what we have now.
     
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    Not sucking as bad as the other side is not much of a selling point. I want solutions, not excuses. I think many Americans are like me and grow tired of the empty promises and ineptitude of both the Democrats and Republicans as well as the partisans that turn a blind eye to the incompetence of the party or politician/s they back.
     
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    I'll be shocked if he wins, so this is all theoretical to me. And obviously I would prefer more permanent solutions that what can be afforded by executive orders. But it is what it is. Half the country wants the borders protected and the immigration laws enforced, and the other half doesn't, so you are going to have wild gyrations in policy depending on who is President. That's not the fault of any one President or party, but the natural outgrowth of having a country so divided on almost every public policy issue.
     
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    I prefer a more longterm solution that would require bipartisanship. I guess I want the impossible.
     
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    Interesting point about Mexico. Seems that Mexico should be doing a better job at their southern border as it affects both Mexico and the USA. This should be properly negotiated as both countries would benefit.
     
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    Your Democrats opened up the borders to their advantage. They want to win every election in perpetuity with illegals to whom they pay with free housing, food, medical care and income to buy their votes.
     
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    If memory serves me correctly, most Americans want border security. This includes many leftists and moderates like myself. Yet I don’t think it is a top issue for many, even on the right. It seems more a wedge issue to whip up the base than a real attempt to solve the issue. Which is why I am frustrated that MAGA does not hold Trump accountable for his past failures on the issue. Tens of millions of Conservatives, there has to be one that would have a better chance of succeeding where Trump failed. Seems to me the right is on track to repeat the past while expecting a different result.

    Meh, I am just frustrated and want actual solutions and feel all I am getting from both sides is bullshit.
     
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    I have never supported Democrats, nor do I see placing all blame on them as a solution to the problem. Both parties have a long history of failing to secure the border. I have lost all faith that either is up to the task of securing the border.
     
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    Hopefully whoever wins this time doesn't get up there on the stage before God and everyone in the rest of the world and tell the illegal immigrants that they should immediately surge the border.

    Hopefully whoever wins doesn't dangle the carrot of a path to citizenship before millions of illegals already here thus encouraging more to show up.

    That is literally encouraging them to violate our borders and tell them that we will reward them.
     
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    I don't think we are going to have that for a while. It's not impossible it's just unlikely right now.
     
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    So if Trump failed to secure the border, what do you call what Biden has done? Miserably abject failure ?
     
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    It is in the Democrats long term interests to allow as many illegals into the USA as possible

    It is in the GOPs best interests to keep them out

    so when we look at who have been more to "blame" for Illegals coming into the USA, you look at the side who sees a benefit for those incursions
     
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    Absolutely so. Biden has already said he intends for a pathway to citizenship for millions of new unregistered illegal Democrat voters.

    It isn't from any sense of altruism that they're so very welcoming to people who violate our laws.

    It is not in the interest of the American people but then again the Democrat party has a record of not really considering what's in the best interest of the American citizen.
     
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    1) they know the spawn of illegals will mainly vote Democrat
    2) they know that illegals will count to increase congressional and EC representation
    3) they know that illegals will increase crime which the dems use to justify more gun bans and hoping terrified citizens will cede more rights to big government
     
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    I call them both failures. Does not matter to me which side has failed more as it becomes the basis for the lesser evil argument. Obviously the left is the larger problem, which does nothing to diminish or resolve the failure of the right to secure the border. Both suck! Republicans sucking a little less is nothing to brag about.
     

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