Trump failed to secure the border. What makes you think he will succeed if re-elected?

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  1. Endeavor

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    The law is outdated. We liberals/ DEMS want more immigrant come to America.
     
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    If you were willing to add "legally, with vetting as to who get to cross the border" you would have a valid point.

    No criminals, no terrorists and if they do get in, they are deported immediately. There also must be limits on the number of people who enter the country per year so that local government systems are not getting slammed as they are now.
     
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    Again , I agree with you. Unfortunately, the law today is ambiguous. Anyone who came to USA, within 1 year can seek asylum regardless they crossed the border legally or illegally. Once they seek asylum, the law give them protection until the court rejects their asylum.

    What we need is change in asylum law and yes we should have provision in the law that if someone cross the border illegally should automatically be disqualified to seek asylum. Only Point of Entry, you can apply for asylum.
     
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  5. dairyair

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    I am more specifically remembering this policy. I guess there were other policies he did use that were not pandemic related.

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    Key facts about Title 42, the pandemic policy that has reshaped immigration enforcement at U.S.-Mexico border
    By John Gramlich

    The Biden administration is seeking to end the use of Title 42, a pandemic-era policy that has led the Border Patrol to turn away hundreds of thousands of migrants attempting to enter the United States at the U.S.-Mexico border over the past two years. The administration’s move to end the Title 42 policy has been cheered in some corners and criticized in others, and opponents of the decision are challenging it in court and in Congress.
    https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...immigration-enforcement-at-u-s-mexico-border/

    NOTE:

    There was a remain in Mexico policy that trump enacted and Biden ended with the allowance of the USSC.
    Separate from the Title 42 policy.
     
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    Why do you say it doesn't exist?
    If that were true, no one would ever be turned away. But even though immigrants crossing went up, so did deportation and those being turned away.

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    Deportations, returns and expulsions

    upload_2024-4-13_9-26-42.png

    Since Title 42 ended in May, Biden officials have deported or returned roughly 500,000 people to Mexico and other countries, exceeding Trump’s totals, which averaged roughly 500,000 annually. But Biden’s higher numbers are partly the result of a much greater volume of illegal crossings.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2024/02/11/trump-biden-immigration-border-compared/

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    I think you may be totally misinformed on border policies.
     
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    I was specifically referring to title 42.
    I had to go back and do research as I was going from 3-4 yr old memory.
    Title 42 is what I remembered.

    But trump did have a remain in Mexico policy that Biden ended and the USSC upheld.
     
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    The ratio of those being deported/expelled went way down to the point where the vast majority are released into our nation.
     
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    Thanks. Very interesting...
     
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    Did you just make that up?
    You didn't bother looking at the chart I posted or the link with it?

    Why just post made up stuff?

    At the very least, post the data to support your claim.
     
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    The facts come from Mayorkas. Your chart does nothing to disprove Mayorkas's statements so I have no idea why you think it does. Two statements can be true: the number of encounters have skyrocketed and most people who come to our border are released into the interior.
     
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    Post them.
    They should be easy for you to find and link.
     
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    We have posted these facts for you a dozen times, including his sworn statements, but you have been incapable of understanding them which is why you keep posting a chart that has nothing to do with my statement.

    When asked directly if most migrants are released into he interior he said he knows the data, he refuses to release it, but it's not surprising to him that most are released.
     
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    No one has posted the facts.
    So, you be the 1st.

    If you have done so dozens of times, it should be easy for you to do so again.
     
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    You've got a point because Democrats were solidly into "resist 45" and stopping Trump from fixing the border because they don't want the border fixed.
     
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    Do you want to compare Trump’s border to Biden’s in terms of numbers?
     
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    Nobody can end all illegal immigration but we can do a lot better with a policy of enforcing immigration laws. Trump did that and had much less illegal immigration than we have now. A whole bunch less.
     
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    Due to covid restricting movements.
    Remember, Biden supported the Senate bipartisan border bill a few months ago.
    The 2x impeached felon told the R house to reject any border bills. And they did.
     
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    The good news is that it was rejected. The idea is to have virtually no illegal immigration, not to codify 7 figures of illegals annually. Bipartisanship doesn't guarantee a good bill.
     
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    The left keeps referring to that bill as bipartisan, in reality it was not. The Border has become more important as the election gets closer and the people who made a mess of it are called to answer for it at the pols
     
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    Nothing guarantees a good bill.
    There's too many opinions on how to proceed. But it is Congress's job to take on immigration. A president can't don that alone.

    So, small steps is what will be needed.
    But of course, the halt to the bill was so Biden would not get an immigration win in 2024.
    A small step bill is better than no bill.

    Remember, trump got nothing from Congress either. Never even had a bill from Congress.
    But did manage to stop the only bill to come about in decades.
     
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    AS Bipartisan as it gets in today's world.
    It doesn't seem to important to MAGA. Except as a political football.
    For they and the leader rejected the bill.

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    For several months Oklahoma Republican Sen. Jim Lankford, Connecticut Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy and Arizona independent Sen. Kyrsten Sinema have worked on a plan to address the record number of migrants crossing the U.S.-Mexico border.


    Schumer said Sunday that he plans to move the bill this week, with a key vote on Wednesday. "Senators must shut out the noise from those who want this agreement to fail for their own political agendas," Schumer wrote in a statement.
    https://www.npr.org/2024/02/04/1226427234/senate-border-deal-reached

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    "The bipartisan agreement in the Senate is tough, fair, and takes meaningful steps to address the challenges our country faces after decades of Congressional inaction," Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said in a statement.
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/heres-whats-in-senate-border-immigration-deal
     
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    What that bill may do is provide political cover tor the trainwreck this administration has created in our immigration system. The term bipartisan is intended to do just that but it isn't fooling anyone, even those touting it understand how inadequate it is. I say this Administration because I don't really believe that frail old man is capable of crafting policy on any issue.
     
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    Congress makes laws. We already have laws designed to prevent illegal immigration. We have to stop ignoring those laws and start enforcing them. The law requires people to enter through a port of entry. Those that do not must be sent back over the border immediately with instruction on how to find the nearest port of entry. It isn't any more complicated than that. The problem is that the immigration laws get in the way of the democrat desire to use illegal immigration as a gerrymandering action. The democrats want all the illegal immigration they can get. You should know that. You are one of them.
     
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    We will never know.
    Since the R MAGA crowd didn't want any border protection.
     

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