Trump returns to White House and removes mask despite having Covid

There's hope the immunity from a vaccine will be as good as or better than the natural immunity from getting the virus.

 

We're now talking about FEAR?

You'd do well to live in fear of what happens if you don't pay close attention to your driving.

 

Isn't a vaccine ALWAYS superior to natural immunity?

 

If you're afraid of something, do you not fear it?

 

I wish that blonde with no helmet and tattoos on her fully exposed back, on the back of the Liter Bike on International Speedway yesterday, had some fear of others.

That's like trusting in natural immunity to save someone in a slide, or their loved ones, it just doesn't work all the time.

 

Not in conferring immunity, but then you don't have to survive the disease.

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What's your point? Being afraid of what might happen if I doze off while I'm driving keeps me awake.

 

I didn't ask, are you afraid of what might happen if you doze off while driving. When you get into your car and start driving, are you AFRAID?

 

i guess I don't know what you mean by "afraid."

 

Alright, but you know PERFECTLY well what Trump means by "afraid" in his tweet?

 

I can't even remember the context. Was it that we shouldn't be "afraid" of COVID-19?

If it's COVID-19, I think it's reasonable for a person to be "afraid" of catching it depending upon what is meant by "afraid."

 

If our eyes are open we can reverse the authoritarian action of forcing people to close and many to lose their businesses today. I'm astounded that any American abides this authoritarianism.

 

While I'm sympathetic to people forced to close their business to slow the spread of COVID-19, and would suggest as a matter of fairness we compensate them for lost revenue, I don't think closing businesses for that reason is necessarily "authoritarian" or wrong.

Why? Restricting business activity to protect the public is common practice.

 

The government can't afford to make payroll without borrowing the money let alone compensate millions of business owners for their losses. That is ridiculous. Government says close your business or we will close it for you. If you try to open we will fine or even prosecute you. That isn't authoritarian? You are a smart economist. You can't be that partisan can you?

Restricting business activity to protect the public is authoritarian when it destroys lives. Around 99% of people who contract Covid survive it. CDC numbers. Why didn't we close businesses for the seasonal flu?

 

Your claim government "can't afford" to compensate business owners as I described is flat wrong. Labelling compensation as "ridiculous" suggests you have a limited understanding of economics.

Well, you go right ahead and try to open your bar outside of hours. Open your marijuana store in Alabama. Open a sex shop next to a public school. And on and on.

As I said, fairness would have us compensating businesses we force to close.

SARS-CoV-2 is far more deadly than the seasonal flu. It has more side effects, too.

 

What would it have to mean in order for you to say that it's reasonable for a person to be "afraid" of catching COVID?

 

One would do well to avoid catching CIVID-19 until we have a better understanding of the long-term health consequences of the disease, and we have effective treatments for those who get it.

 

"nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

Well, obviously during a pandemic, the government should be able to deprive people of liberty and property USE with the law; and restricting business activity or use with zoning is common, so the nuke plant, pig farm, or massive gas storage tanks aren't inside the residential neighborhood.

It doesn't seem to fit an actual taking of property, but there is some relationship, as there have been rulings about zoning where someone purchased beach property and it was then rezoned claiming to protect the environment, the government took the use not the ownership, so the owner couldn't build a house there and it became useless to the owner; the "liberal" court sided with the government "taking" the use and the dissenting conservatives thought the owner should be compensated.

What would be NICE if there can't be just compensation for the taking of use, of someone's income source, due to pandemic..., the government officials involved (mayor, legislators, and governor...) should lose all their pay (and since many small businesses it is their only source of income, in a separate bill maybe all income from whatever source, book deals...) for the duration and divert it to the little people; make the officials feel the pain too.

 

We the People says is different than a tyrant. We the People can remove any government we don't like, peacefully.

 

Sure but that is after 100,000 business owners have lost their businesses and their employees their jobs. Incidentally, the government did its authoritarian thing peacefully. It is the people who have been rioting for one reason or another.

 

I think people, rich and poor, should be fully compensated when government takes their property.

I can't think of a circumstance, short of an astroid strike, where we can't pay people just compensation. Maybe we should string up pols who take folks' stuff without paying.

 

What's that got to do with whether it's reasonable for a person to be "afraid" of catching COVID?

 

What does "afraid" mean to you? I'm afraid it might rain before I get a chance to mow the lawn.

 

Again, what would "afraid" have to mean in order for you to say that it's reasonable for a person to be "afraid" of catching COVID? This is in reply to you saying that you "think it's reasonable for a person to be "afraid" of catching it depending upon what is meant by "afraid."

 

"Afraid" would be as little as the "possibility" of infection: "I wouldn't go to a Trump rally because I'm afraid I might catch COVID-19 and bring it home."

"Afraid" has a range of reactions in popular usage: