Trump returns to White House and removes mask despite having Covid

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  1. chris155au

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    Perhaps you weren't event criticising Trump for that tweet - were you?
     
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    We've been going back and forth on this for so long I can't recall the tweet.
     
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    That's a crazy Blue Anon conspiracy that quickly falls to the facts:

    State Per M Percent
    NJ 2689 0.27%
    NY 2524 0.25%
    RI 2423 0.24%
    MA 2410 0.24%
    MS 2317 0.23%
    AZ 2273 0.23%
    CT 2178 0.22%
    SD 2158 0.22%
    LA 2121 0.21%
    AL 2106 0.21%
    PA 1928 0.19%
    ND 1912 0.19%
    IN 1908 0.19%
    NM 1836 0.18%
    IL 1830 0.18%
    AK 1808 0.18%
    IA 1785 0.18%
    SC 1723 0.17%
    GA 1716 0.17%
    TN 1704 0.17%
    MI 1679 0.17%
    KS 1669 0.17%
    NV 1661 0.17%
    USA 1651 0.17%
    TX 1608 0.16%
    DE 1545 0.15%
    OH 1529 0.15%
    FL 1502 0.15%

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

    At a death rate of 0.15% FL has done a better job than most states and a better job than the country as a whole. DiSantis has been phenomenal, and though Biden is barely sentinent, he has noticed.

    FIGHT THE POWER: Ron DeSantis warns Joe Biden not to ‘lock down Florida.’

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    Warns Joe Biden

    DiSantis will haul bumbling Joe Biden into Federal Court on a Landmark 10th Amendment test case so fast that it will spin the marbles from Biden's ears.

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    “We are not going to let him lockdown Florida,” DeSantis said."
    Biden supports open borders and is releasing the COVID positive illegal aliens throughout the country.
     
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  5. nopartisanbull

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    Lies and misinformation, and Zorro, you can't fool above average intelligent people, and here's why

    INDISPUTABLE FACTS:

    As of march 13th, 2020, Worldometer reported;

    Total Covid19 Cases in Florida; 1,973,109
    Total Covid19 Deaths in Florida; 32,252

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/

    But wait a minute...... According to Florida's Department of Health Summary;

    As of March 13th, there were;

    Number of Covid19 Cases

    a. Florida residents; 1,936,788
    b. Non-Florida residents; 36,321

    Total number of Covid19 cases; 1,973,109...........and the same total, (BOTH resident and non-resident), was reported by worldometer.

    Number of Covid19 deaths;

    a. Florida resident deaths; 32,225
    b. Non-Florida resident deaths; 604

    Total number of Covid19 deaths, 32,856, HOWEVER, same day, Worldometer ONLY reported 32,225 deaths, thus, (EXCLUDED non-residents deaths)

    Reason why: https://www.npr.org/2020/05/15/8571...criticize-governor-for-a-lack-of-transparency

    THUS, in reference to calculating the death rate, is it fair to count BOTH resident and non-resident cases, and then, EXCLUDE non-resident deaths?

    Of course not!

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    NOW, here's the HONEST MATH

    As of March 13;

    Florida's total number of Covid19 cases; 1,973,109 (BOTH resident and non-resident)

    Florida's total number of Covid19 deaths; 32,856 (BOTH resident and non-resident)

    Death Rate; 32,856 deaths divided by 1,973,109 cases = 1.665 or 1.665% of

    IN ADDITION; Due to the ommission of Florida's non-resident deaths, the following State ranking reported by Zorro is wrong!

    NJ 2689 0.27%
    NY 2524 0.25%
    RI 2423 0.24%
    MA 2410 0.24%
    MS 2317 0.23%
    AZ 2273 0.23%
    CT 2178 0.22%
    SD 2158 0.22%
    LA 2121 0.21%
    AL 2106 0.21%
    PA 1928 0.19%
    ND 1912 0.19%
    IN 1908 0.19%
    NM 1836 0.18%
    IL 1830 0.18%
    AK 1808 0.18%
    IA 1785 0.18%

    SC 1723 0.17%...............SC's Death Rate as of Mar 13; 1.665 (Total Cases; 532,549, Total Deaths; 8,870).......SAME RATE AS FLORIDA, however, Zorro ranked Florida the LOWEST??????????????

    GA 1716 0.17%
    TN 1704 0.17%
    MI 1679 0.17%
    KS 1669 0.17%
    NV 1661 0.17%
    USA 1651 0.17%
    TX 1608 0.16%
    DE 1545 0.15%
    OH 1529 0.15%
    FL 1502 0.15%...............FL's Death Rate as of Mar 13; 1.665

    Question; When it comes to reporting the right/honest figures, are people like Zorro worst than Cuomo?
     
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  6. Zorro

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    Here is the correct source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

    Florida at 1503 deaths per million population has a better record that 26 other States and the US as a whole, despite Florida having the second old population in the US. But, I understand why DiSantis' fabulous performance bothers you, he could very well turn out to be a formidable candidate for the presidency in 2024.
     
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    Here's the correct sources;

    Number of deaths, Florida residents; 32,225
    Number of deaths, Florida non-residents; 604

    Total deaths reported by worldometers; 32,225
    However, actual total deaths; 32,225 + 604 = 32,856..........Thus, 32,856 deaths divided by Florida's 21.477million pop = 1530 deaths per 1M pop

    AND in reference to calculating the death rate, it is unfair to count BOTH Resident and Non-resident cases, and then, EXCLUDE Non-resident deaths

    http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_p...ation/county-report/county_reports_latest.pdf
    https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/96dd742462124fa0b38ddedb9b25e429

    YOU ranked Florida as the lowest death rate in the U.S.

    NJ 2689 0.27%
    NY 2524 0.25%
    RI 2423 0.24%
    MA 2410 0.24%
    MS 2317 0.23%
    AZ 2273 0.23%
    CT 2178 0.22%
    SD 2158 0.22%
    LA 2121 0.21%
    AL 2106 0.21%
    PA 1928 0.19%
    ND 1912 0.19%
    IN 1908 0.19%
    NM 1836 0.18%
    IL 1830 0.18%
    AK 1808 0.18%
    IA 1785 0.18%
    SC 1723 0.17%....................
    GA 1716 0.17%
    TN 1704 0.17%
    MI 1679 0.17%
    KS 1669 0.17%
    NV 1661 0.17%
    USA 1651 0.17%
    TX 1608 0.16%
    DE 1545 0.15%
    OH 1529 0.15%
    FL 1502 0.15%......................FALSE! 1502 deaths per 1M pop EXCLUDES 604 Non-resident deaths, and/or 28 deaths per 1M pop

    Medical Professionals In Florida Criticize Governor For A Lack Of Transparency


    The Medical Examiners Commission is counting every person that dies in Florida. The Department of Health, by their own statements, have said that they are not counting snowbirds. They're not counting out-of-state visitors. They are only counting people that have a in-state permanent Florida residence.

    https://www.npr.org/2020/05/15/8571...criticize-governor-for-a-lack-of-transparency

    Florida's Department of Health are counting BOTH Resident and Non-Resident CASES, however, they are not counting snowbirds and visitors who died of Covid19.

    DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
     
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    Right phucken here, ZORRO


    COVID-19: summary of cases and monitoring Data through Mar 13, 2021 verified as of Mar 14, 2021 at 09:25 AM Data in this report are provisional and subject to change

    Total cases 1,976,808.............................Same Total cases reported by worldometers
    Florida Residents 1,940,380
    Floriday Non-Florida residents 36,428

    Florida resident deaths 32,255...........Same number of deaths reported by worldometers; 32,255

    Non-Florida resident deaths 605

    http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_p...rmation/state-report/state_reports_latest.pdf

    ONCE AGAIN, in reference to calculating the death rate, it is unfair to INCLUDE both resident and non-resident cases, and then, EXCLUDE non-resident deaths.

    DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

    AND DON'T PLAY DUMB WITH ME
     
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    I didn't count cases, I counted deaths. Counting deaths, Florida beats 26 other states. Counting cases, Florida beats 27 other States. Yet another metric shows an outstanding job by the outstanding Freedom and Liberty Governor, DiSantis.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
    Fake News. I said they beat 26 other States. There are fifty states in the Union, not 27.
     
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    Quote: But, I understand why DiSantis' fabulous performance bothers you

    What should bother you is your LIES, and DECEPTIONS

    Fact; DeSantis certainly did a good job at obstructing his pro-active Mayors.

    However, among the NO State-wide mask mandate/NO State-wide lockdowns/NO State-wide Stay-at-home GROUP, and compared to South Dakota........Nebraska and Florida have done well.
     
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    Trump returns to White House and removes mask despite having Covid
    Did he really have the virus after all?
     
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    Fake News. I gave your the correct information, the supporting link, and even listed the 25 States Florida out performed. Pay Attention!

    But, the fact remains that whether you count cases or deaths, Florida did a top tier job despite having the second oldest population of the fifty states.

    Updated as of now:
    • FL has a better record on deaths than 26 other States.
    • FL has a better record on cases than 27 other States.
    So, with so many other States with worse records, why is it that the Swamp Friendly Fake Media spends so much time trying to trash DiSantis' remarkable record? Well, they fear him as a formidable presidential candidate that will easily beat the Bumbling Biden and the rather vacuous Harris, and, they are very uncomfortable with the Superior performance from the Liberty and Freedom Red Gov's over the Tyrannical Authoritarian tactics of so many Blue State Governors.

    If you want to actually learn something, study Vermont. They are a a solid Blue State, D+15, one GOP Senator, but otherwise, solid Democrat. They have a top tier COVID rating in terms of both Deaths and Cases, and they have an unemployment rate so low, that it ranks solidly in the top ranked Red States. It appears to be a very successful Democrat run State. So, why all the press for CA and NY and we hear nothing about Vermont? It would appear that you do have a solidly performing Blue State, yet, you guys ignore them. I think you should study them more carefully, they may have some practices that the country would benefit from. But, these autocratic screw-ups that we see in so many Blue Gov's. They simply aren't Presidential Timber.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
     
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    Florida has done quite well vs the 26 States that did worse.

    NJ 2689 0.27%
    NY 2524 0.25%
    RI 2423 0.24%
    MA 2410 0.24%
    MS 2317 0.23%
    AZ 2273 0.23%
    CT 2178 0.22%
    SD 2158 0.22%
    LA 2121 0.21%
    AL 2106 0.21%
    PA 1928 0.19%
    ND 1912 0.19%
    IN 1908 0.19%
    NM 1836 0.18%
    IL 1830 0.18%
    AK 1808 0.18%
    IA 1785 0.18%
    SC 1723 0.17%
    GA 1716 0.17%
    TN 1704 0.17%
    MI 1679 0.17%
    KS 1669 0.17%
    NV 1661 0.17%
    USA 1651 0.17%
    TX 1608 0.16%
    DE 1545 0.15%
    OH 1529 0.15%
    FL 1502 0.15%

    Yup, they did beat SD, but, not NE. NE is even more outstanding. They beat 40 other States.
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
     
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    The bottom line;

    Canada, Mar 15th

    Case Fatality Rate; 2.463
    Number of deaths; 22,495
    Deaths per 1M pop; 592

    U.S., Mar 15th

    Case Fatality Rate; 1.818
    Number of deaths; 548,013
    Deaths per 1M pop; 1,649........If U.S. had 592 deaths per 1M pop; 592 X 332,36 = 196,757, thus, minus 351,256 deaths

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

    Main reasons why Canada's number of deaths per 1M pop is significantly lower;

    1. No Testing Kit Screw ups

    2. No Summer Wave, caused by;

    a. Several States re-opening their economies at a high positivity rate
    b. Memorial Long/Crowding the beaches......
    c. National protests
    d. Political rallies/superspreaders

    3. In an effort to reduce the spread of Covid19, Canada had a higher percentage of combatants/lower percentage of personal freedom whiners.
     
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    You seem like an intelligent individual. Do you REALLY believe that potato brain is running things or do you not care about a committee handling the job off the radar? That guy cannot function and that's why we see next to nothing from him. I have to assume an intelligent person realizes and supports that action.
     
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    Perhaps because he realizes this is a VY RUS... You either have had it or you WILL have it at some point. Roughly 9 out of 10 who contract it WILL survive and nothing a government can do is going to protect people, not even Saint Anthony di Fauci. They can't stop transmission and they CANNOT keep people safe from it. But, by all means, if you buy into the rhetoric from the Left, isolate yourself, hide and tell yourself you're safe. Meanwhile, the rest of us just want to go about our lives.
     
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    I wonder what their next move will be when a sufficient number of Americans finally twig to the fact they are being hustled and made fools of... Frankly, I think the Left is capable of almost any kind of action to consolidate the power they STOLE last November. They've passed a bill to codify the means they used to steal the election.
     
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    Stanford medical expert calls lockdowns “worst public health mistake in last 100 years”

    Dr. Jay Bhattacharya; "I stand behind my comment that the lockdowns are the single worst public health mistake in the last 100 years. We will be counting the catastrophichealth and psychological harms, imposed on nearly every poor person on the face of the earth, for a generation," said Bhattacharya.

    "At the same time, they have not served to control the epidemic in the places where they have been most vigorously imposed. In the US, they have – at best – protected the "non-essential" class from COVID, while exposing the essential working class to the disease. The lockdowns are trickle down epidemiology."

    Bhattacharya and two other scientists propose a "Focused Protection" plan as an alternative to strict lockdowns. The alternate plan is aimed at protecting older people, who are generally the most vulnerable to the virus. The plan also recommends that people who are not as vulnerable should be able to resume normal life and build immunity to the virus

    SAME ARTICLE: Dr. Fauci called the declaration "inappropriate, irresponsible, and ill-informed."

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    Myself, I partially agree with Dr Jay Bhattacharya's declaration, and I also partially agree with Dr. Fauci's response to said declaration.

    I agree that ''to a limited extent'', the non-essential lockdowns/stay-at-home orders HAVE CAUSED/will cause both health and psychological harms, HOWEVER, based on LOGIC and INDISPUTABLE FACTS, I disagree that ''they have not served to control the epidemic in the places where they have been most vigorously imposed", and here's my RATIONALE;

    First, let's impartially compare U.S. and Canada's Covid19 figures and correlations;

    After the first wave/surge of infections, and prior to the U.S. second wave/surge of infections, Canada's Covid19 Case Fatality Rate was significantly higher than the U.S., however, per 1M pop, Canada's Covid19 death rate was significatnly lower than the U.S., and here's why;

    U.S. lowest Daily Cases 7 day average ''prior to its second wave''; 21,634 cases, JUNE 10, 2020
    U.S. Case Fatality Rate, JUNE 10, 2020; 118,250 cumulative deaths DIVIDED BY 2,092,405 cumulative cases = 5.65
    U.S. Death Rate Per 1M pop; 118,250 cumulative deaths DIVIDED BY 331m = 357.25

    Canada's Case Fatality Rate, JUNE 10, 2020; 7,960 cumulative deaths DIVIDED BY 97,125 cumulative cases = 8.19
    Canada's Death Rate per 1M pop; 7,960 cumulative deaths DIVIDED BY 37m = 215.13

    Thus, what happened?

    Answer; On June 10th, 2020, near 40% of U.S. Covid19 deaths were linked to Nursing Homes/LTCF, and in Canada, near 80% of their Covid19 deaths were linked Nursing Homes/LTCF. Thus, prior to our Second/Summer Wave, and compared to Canada, the U.S. did a much better job at protecting its Nursing Home/LTDF Residents.

    NEXT; How did Canada managed to reduce its Case Fatality Rate from 8.19 to its current 2.46?....... AND if fact, today's U.S. and Canada's Case Fatality Rate are near AT PAR; 1.81 versus 2.46, thus, WOW!......a significant difference from 5.65 versus 8.19.

    In addition, Today's U.S. and Canada's number of deaths per 1M pop; 1,649 versus 592, thus, another WOW!....compared to 357.25 versus 215.13

    Main reason; After the Canucks have learned a hard lesson, U.S. and Canada's differentials generally came down to a correlation of;

    Higher the positivity/infection/transmission rate, higher the number of hospitalizations, AND higher the number of hospitalizations, higher the number of deaths.

    Stay tuned for a bombshell based on LOGIC and INDISPUTABLE FACTS
     
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    Let's continue........

    ONCE AGAIN, among all infected nations, only two nations had a Summer Surge/Wave, U.S. and Peru.

    Response from several Trump supporters; ''Because compare to other nations, Americans have more personal liberty/freedom''

    Well, partially due to personal liberty/freedom is in fact, an honest admission.

    Now, according to my research, here are the main reasons why that throughout our Summer Wave, Canada kept lowering their infection rate, daily cases, number of hospitalizatons, and deaths;

    1. According to my research, Canadian Provinces re-opened their economies at a low positivity rate, thus, significantly below WHO's/CDC's 5% recommendation, and began phasing out their lockdowns, stay-at-home, and other restrictions late May/Early June, thus, approx. one month after a number of States began easing their restrictions.

    2. Memorial Long/Crowding the beaches........In Canada, still too cold for Martini's and Bikini's

    3. There were no national protests/superspreaders

    4. There were no politicial rallies/superspreaders

    5. And in an effort to reduce the spread of Covid19, Canada had a larger percentatge of full-time COMBATANTS

    I'm not finished yet, thus, stay tuned....
     
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    Did you have polio? :roll:

    If DeSantis "realizes" what you realize, It's no wonder Florida has killed lots of Floridians and no doubt helped spread covid (and death) to other states.
    Vaccines can protect people. Mitigation measures can, too.
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    The government in Australia did.
    I know plenty of people on the right getting their covid vaccinations. For your sake, I hope you're smart enough to get yours.
     

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