Turkey, once again, proves it's full of nothing but hot air.

Rubbish. A child of a Turk born is this country is German first and to do well in this country he will have to learn German first. If he does not, statistics show that he'll fail at school and be living from the state.

If you would not want to assimilate, then remain in Turkey.

BTW assimilating does not mean practising your religion or culture. It means adjusting and accepting the country in which you live and all it offers you.

 

against,

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I meant to add another "not" before "practising". I meant that you can assimiliate and should do so if you immigrate - but your roots are not lost either.

 

Yes, it is a problem and German state is responsible to put in order her education system according to this issue. Where is human-centered state?

Fascism got his hand out of his grave.

Turks are accustomed to live among different cultures in opposition to Germans, don't be afraid. Nobody needs to accept or reject someone, nobody has right to do that, as well. Social processes can't be directed by laws. Water finds its way.

 

You're you saying that the German state should start running schools in Turkish? Are your schools in Turkey run in German? Not a sensible point.

Human centered means assistance in assimilating but not changing the language of the system because the immigrants don't want to learn the language of their new home.

The human being is not water. He has to feed his family. He will find its way to living from social welfare if he makes no effort.

 

I am not against Turks in Germany to learn German. But a Turkish child will learn Turkish firstly, of course. Will we force them to speak German in their home?

We have some full-German populated villages in south. They learn Turkish, naturally. Because they have to communicate other people in order to "live". So we should not make problem this situation. Of course they will learn German in order to "live" in Germany. But you cannot call "stupidity" the idea of learning their mothertongue first. I repeat; water finds its way, you don't need to draw a path for it.

 

A child born to Turkish parents should attend kindergarden like German kids and in that way will learn the language. Turkish parents should take responsibility for making sure of this. Turkish parents should also themselves make an effort to speak the language and integrate. Attend German events etc

Do you have state schools teaching in German because you seem to think that we should do that for Turks living in our country?

It is stupid to call German a foreign language in Germany when talking of kids born here. That is very stupid indeed. The kids mothertongue is German. If Turkish parents are selfish they won't care that their kids are at a huge disadantage otherwise. I know some who are aware of this and make a huge effort.

But the president of Turkey doesn't realise that.

 

German is still a second language for Turks, even if they live in Germany. Turkish is first language and mothertongue for Turks, even if they live in Germany. They immigrated to Germany in order to work, not to become a German. If they are crowded enough to make you worry, whole German culture has a new cultural part and you have to be integrated to this. What a happiness that your culture is not dead and developing by the developments of events. Also I am against to every form of assimilation and poking one's nose into others' life.

Thank you.

 

It depends upon the interests of the individual. Some children of immigrations choose to associate themselves more with their parent's nationality, while others choose to associate themselves more with where they grew up. I think that the later is more the case.

 

That's perfectly fine of course. In this case the Turks in Germany should not expect to be treated as German citizens and should get used to being treated as cheap foreign labor that they chose to be - with respect and according to local laws but without any benefits and privileges that German citizenship would provide. And of course they should be prepared to be fired and sent back home whenever they are no longer needed.

 

You missed that they are humans, even if they immigrated to work. They learn whatever they want, they live whereever they want, they speak whatever they want... Maybe they will not be able to have a bright future in Germany, that's their choice; maybe they will have to learn German, that's their choice; maybe they will have to return to their homeland, that's their choice.

 

If they refuse to speak German they should also refuse the right to vote and use public services. They refuse to be part of German society so they should also reject the vast benefits.

 

And you gave their life and soul to them...
As we see, you may become immigrants in Turkey, thanks to Greece. I am sure you will not think so then.

 

Geopolitics trump economics.

The relationship between Iran and Turkey has deteriorated to the point where the rift can't be hidden. Turkey and Iran were previously drawn together over resistance to Kurdish independence and economic cooperation. But then the Arab Spring occurred.

Now Turkey and Iran are at loggerheads over the Syrian revolution. Turkey is providing arms to the Syrian revolutionaries who are resisting the Iranian supported Assad regime. The fate of its Syrian client state is crucial to the Iranians. The Turks are doing the bidding of Saudi Arabia in supporting the Sunni revolutionaries in Syria.

 

Against............

 

This depends upon if they want to be German citizens or not, which is their choice.

 

It is not just their personal choice. If they refuse to integrate and live from social welfare, then it is surely my business as a taxpayer .

Like others have said, a guest worker should not have the benefits of the social welfare system. The kids born here and not integrated won't get work - should they go back home since I am told they only came here to work anyway?

Alobar hasn't thought this through.

You can't have it both ways.

 

Is there some confusion in Germany between the terms ' Zionist ' and ' Jew ' ? There isn't any such confusion in Turkey. I ask because of your recent post here;

Whilst nobody is arguing that German isn't the first language of Germany, certainly not Erdogan, it's patently clear that Turkish has a significant presence in Germany, just as Erdogan said. This is a good thing, is it not, when German- or at least German according to Liebe- can't distinguish between two discrete terms when Turkish can ? Multiculturalism is a very enlightening fact on the ground .

 

Do you feel the need to stalk me on this topic here?

In the thread you mention there certainly was confusion. The origins of the posters is secondary and do not appear to be german. Note that that thread is titled with Jews, although the article talks of Israel (no link though) and the wonderful comments include comments on Jooos not zionism. So definately the objections to zionism, appear to be garden variety anti-semitism under the thinnest of cloaks. Not that that will worry you, I am sure.

 

Let's not replace the legitimate political term ' pursue ' with your more colorful, yet sinister , ' stalk '. I am pursuing a point, not a person.

 

Did you hear what he said? Was it in the English press too or you just think you know? He said that children of Turks born in Germany should learn Turkish first and foreign languages later. The foreign language here is Turkish. Do you get that? No one can possibly know what you mean by two discrete terms and since you would not have followed the interview in German press either, let's assume that you are sucking these discrete terms out of your thumb.

What do you know about multiculturalism and the facts on the ground in Germany?
Yeah thought so.

 

On the wrong thread....if I go to forum on cooking will you follow me there too?

 

Immigrants can choose to either apply for citizenship, or they can choose not to. It's their choice.

 

This is your case ? Erdogan is Turkish. To Turks, German is a foreign language. Can somebody , to pursue my point , who can't differentiate between the discrete terms ' Zionist ' and ' Jew ' put themselves forward as an authority on the semantics of a Turkish speech , translated into English, when that person's first language is neither ?

 

Again because English appears to be a foreign language to you too: He was talking about kids born in Germany and German being a foreign language for them - not about himself (I assume he has already learned his languages and is not beginning to do so). Pure stupidity. Did you hear it at all since you seem to think you know what he was saying?

You should raise the matter of joos/zionism with Krew. I see his thread is gone as flambait. Wonder why huh?