Turkeys navy will escort future aid ships

So you're suggesting if someone calls an Israeli soldier a pig they'd not be posting here any more?

Well, keep up the good work trying to refute our claims of Israeli brutality by helping prove us right.

 

If you want to know cowardice, see Israel in the West Bank.

 

Well, guys, looks like Turkey is quite popular these days. I feel cool.

Anyway, let me say what I think, the current difficulty between Turkey and Israel has nothing to do with NATO and the US. bringing them into the equation sounds fun but is utterly unrealistic.

And more importantly, Turkey didn't say that the Turkish navy would escord a future aid ship. There is even no mention of a possibility of a future aid ship. Davutoglu just said that the Turkish navy would provide safety for Turkish ships if necessary. This is a general statement. But Haaretz seem to think that Turkey implies that there will be a new aid ship protected by the Turkish navy. But that will probably never happen.

 

It that your interpretation? I'm suggesting as an alternative that if an American soldier was called a derogatory term, he wouldn't turn the other cheek either.

I don't refute Israeli brutality when brutality is reality. I just look for two sides to every picture and I posted earlier a number of articles that state the confrontation was two sided.

Would you care to refute it?

 

Good post, Turko, keep us informed.

 

It's sad then that aid convoys to Gaza will most likely not be given Turkish protection according to what you've just said, assuming more convoys are planned, although I've no information on whether there will be more convoys.

However the Turks are unquestionably within their right to escort and protect ships of their nation, and it's a shame that they may be have to conduct such measures as a reaction to Israeli aggression, that some are saying here that Israel is claiming as a Turkish confrontation, although it's clearly not.

 

And if you want to know cowardice, take a daily look at your brethren in the Pentagon, sitting at a desk with a screen and a mouse, controlling drones that cannot distinguish between a terrorist and a civilian but extinguish life just the same.

Saving your country from terrorism doesn't cut it. Not from a few thousand miles and consistent claims that the US will never be invaded. Then look at the proximity of the West Bank to Israel.

Which one is cowardice at it's peak?

 

I'm simply suggesting, in Israel, the reaction to something as low as a verbal insult may be construed as reason enough to use lethal force, in the West our armed forces tend to use a teeny weeny bit more discretion, although I can't say we have soldiers standing on every street corner. Nor standing in watch towers on regional borders aiming sniper rifles at little girls.

 

I'm not American. What Israel does to its neighbors is horrific. It is cowardly.

BOTH.

 

I don't differentiate between your claim and American military snipers in Iraq and Afghanistan who cannot tell from a distance the difference between a terrorist and a civilian.

Do you?

 

I'm against any occupation of Iraq, Afghanistan and soon possibly Libya.

 

Then we are in agreement.

 

I have no argument with that as long as you are prepared to admit it's not one sided.

 

Ah, but it is one-sided. The Palestinians have invaded and occupied nobody and nowhere.

 

Indeed.

Both parties involved are on the same side.

 

What's not one sided?

 

As you might know, The aid convoys were not under the Turkish organization. They were international. So there might be a new organization, but most probably IHH will not participate. The Turkish state probably won't allow them again.

The Turkish state is willing to fight Israel in diplomatic arena though.

 

The next International Convoy sets out for Gaza in December.

 

When both sides in the conflict commit brutality and murder.

 

IHH is in Somalia at the moment.

There are Turks on the next convoy though.

 

IHH still operates, but the Turkish government didn't allow them to join in the last convoy. (IIRC then Greece blocked the whole convoy later) And now neither IHH nor Turkey state that IHH would participate in the next convoy. Though there might be Turkish individuals participating in the organization. Nobody can stop individuals, you know.

So there are only speculations.

And a sidenote: When 9 Turkish citizens were killed, the Turkish media also critisized Erdogan and IHH. Because either way Erdogan has the final responsibility. If anything similar would happen in the future, Erdogan would be in a real trouble.

 

Just because it's "legal", that doesn't changethe fact that it's an act of war. The Israelis have no right to stop shipping belonging to a third party from entering the borders of a sovereign nation.

 

This is very true. The nation of Palestine is not the nation of Israel. Many people don't seem to know what Israel is, but it is an act of war for Israel to prevent Turkish ships from sailing through international waters to the nation of Palestine. Normally, Israel opposes such acts, as demonstrated with the 1956 war, but it this case, it seems to be heavily supportive of a war it once claimed to wish to prevent.

 

Which sovereign nation are you referring to?

 

Palestine.