Tyre Nichols beating: Race Theory vs CRITICAL Race Theory

And the blacker the skin, the more risk, movement and lack of submissiveness they see.

I see no value in cops who beat up people because of the color of their skin. But you see this in terms of monetary value to the city. I don't think there is a conscious effort to do this. I very much doubt that the official training cops get has as much weight as rookies just watching their seniors conduct, and then transmitting that to the newer cops when they become seniors. There is certainly very poor training. But more than the monetary value, I think the politics that extremists on the right have introduced against CRT has a great deal to do with this lack of training.

Again: I see it in my own city. Where the Chief of Police has taken it upon himself to change the culture. Compared to surrounding areas here in Florida, where DeSantis' racist policies have moved them away from viewing it as a systemic issue. This is, of course, anecdotal. But I think it provides a general idea of what I'm trying to convey.

 

You didn't read the OP.

 

You didn't SAY it was justified. You just justified it. And if you're going to ask a dumb question like "where did I justify it", don't bother. Just re-read your post.

 

"Everything". Enough with the binary nonsense.

 

Why was tyrie pulled over? Was it because he was black? Did he resist arrest because he was black? How does his race play into anything that happened here?

Piss off with that narrative. All it does is destroy our society

 

Everyone involved is Black. There is not actual racial angle to this.

BLACK OFFICERS IN A MAJORITY BLACK CITY WITH A BLACK POLICE CHIEF BEAT BLACK MAN TO DEATH AND. . . Riots Break Out in Memphis, Other Cities as Police Release Tyre Nichols Video. 'This is not the voice of the unheard crying for justice: Every media outlet has been on this, and the officers have already been charged.'

Riots and Schelling Incidents.

 

You're claiming that EVERYTIME there is a Black victim that the issue is race. There is no racial issue in this shooting. Everyone involved was black. And that's what we find, the most dangerous person to a young black male is another young black male. Pretending something otherwises does not resolve, this resolvable danger to young black males.

 

You described CRT just before you automatically inserted the statement about CRT having nothing to do with it.

The assumption police get accustomed to that you mention IS what CRT describes as "systemic racism". There can be many reasons for the assumption. Some valid, others not. But the point is that the culture war that the extreme right has been waging on CRT has stopped some (not all) police department from training cops to discern which are real and which are not. And the war is based on misinforming people about what CRT is.

My hope is that this thread helps elucidate that a bit better.

 

. You had something going, G, until you **** the bed with your idiot "right-winger" screed. You still don't seem to grasp your beloved academic definition of CRT is just that; it has no relation to the "CRT" cirricula being taught throughout many schools and institutions. The "disinformation" rests on your lap, not the on the actual parents that have watch the lessons, read the syllabus, and attended the school board meetings. Nor have you seen the vids posted by teachers BRAGGING about how they're telling kids not to tell parents what they're actually teaching the kids.

 

Ok. So I'm right, but you didn't like that I pointed out how the right has decided to twist what you just agreed I was right about.

I'll take it!

 

That's impossible, since these 5 cops were all black.

 

Wrong!!!!!!

Never mind. I gave you two opportunities to read the OP. Obviously you refuse.

 

I read it. That's the distillation of the OP. You refuse to defend it, because it's indefensible.

 

“Systemic” code for “I have no idea wtf I’m talking about I can’t point to any policy the racist system is based on just believe me cause I say so”

OP thinks a 6.5 foot 250lb black man souped up on drugs and resisting arrest requires the same treatment and level of force needed to handle a 4.7 foot 90lb old lady resisting arrest…or else it’s systemic racism. LOL.


Let me explain something to you: our inner cities have become virtual war zones and death can come from any direction. Cops are being ambushed and targeted and dying and if they don’t do their jobs perfectly, there’s a liberal DA and politician with another gun pointed at the back of their head ready to put them in prison. Meanwhile cops are quitting, putting more of a burden on those who remain.

The fact that the OP can’t even understand the stress that puts on the psyche enough to realize that that is going to create cops who bend, break, and go way overboard just as we see soldiers do on any battlefield, racism having nothing to do with it whatsoever, hence the fact 5 black cops went way overboard. DUH

Should we hold police accountable for breaking the law? Of course. Should we coddle criminals, go full soft on crime, defund police, and make up BS about racism in order to justify anti-authority and promote chaos in our streets that ironically hurt black people the most? DUH no!

this isn’t hard.

 

You were doing pretty good till you fell off the path and into the hate mode again.

Black people, as a whole- are a violent people. Not individually, I've known many wonderful people who happened to be black. But the black community overall is far more responsible for black violence and the array of problems they deal with than anything else. And so long as they turn a blind eye to that and blame the white community for the problems they create for themselves- it will only get worse.

Trash is trash and violence is violence, no matter the color. Denial- doesn't change it, it only allows dodging responsibility and preserving it.

 

Your OP is disinformation and race baiting in the service of the DNC

Bad Policing, Not Race, Led to Death of Tyre Nichols

It looks like a gang beat down.

'This looks like adrenaline-filled rage … from the officers. At certain points, it is the suspect who sounds to be trying to de-escalate the situation.'

It's a horribly difficult thing to watch, when he is crying out for his mom as these violent thugs beat him death, the heart breaks.

'In physical encounters, officers can escalate violence and lose control with lethal consequences.'

'The footage helps establish a number of legal points. The force is clearly and undeniably excessive. It was a complete breakdown of training and supervision.'

'The officers are not just facing second-degree murder charges but a whole slew of charges from aggravated assault, aggravated kidnapping to official oppression. The aggravated assault and official oppression charges are amply supported by the videotape.'

Good. These folks need to be locked up for a long long long time.


The Moms in the black neighborhood need the boy's Dads to help with raising them and shaping their self-control.



'The worst acts include an officer positioning himself to get a clear shot to kick Nichols in the face as two officers struggle with him on the ground. '

These are all 200 pound plus cops vs a 145 pound young man.

'The worst acts include an officer positioning himself to get a clear shot to kick Nichols in the face as two officers struggle with him on the ground.'

These cops turned into a violent pack of killers. None of them urged each other to stop the application of excessive force, they were all consumed by bloodlust. Good training drives this out of young men, whether it's the police academy or boot camp.

'The tapes show a death caused by excessive force rather than racial animus.'

 

Everywhere my people (whites) go, they cause death and destruction. It makes me so sad because ima good person at heart and ILove other cultures.

The USA police force is the relic of the plantation slavers and the culture within is established to the extent that even non white police officers cannot break the mould, judging by this sad case here. Ithink there was some kind of vendetta here.

 

It was not 'lack of training'. My point was it largely WAS THE TRAINING post WATTS riots in 1965 in LA which were televised for 4 straight days and scared the crap out of police depts and communities, One of the reasons we saw so few successful lawsuits and prosecutions thereafter, was that in fact so much violence both lethal and nonlethal, was justified as consistent with police policies. What we see now on tape as police brutality was institutionalized, and systemic as a way for cities, counties states etc to protect cops, mostly white cops and white govt officials, both from injury/death, and from internal discipline, civil and criminal liability even before the videos like Rodney King ever existed. The threat back then was eyewitness testimony. If you can't stop the witnesses from seeing and talking about what they saw cops do, turn it all into 'policy and procedure' so the police are blameless no matter how innocent the 16 yr old kid with the broken ribs and eyesockets on his way back from Bible study was. The way he raises his hand to block a kick to his face, becomes sufficient evidence of the need for more kicks until he cannot raise that hand at all. That's how he ended up in ICU for three weeks. All per protocal!

 

You're mixing cultures and expecting a smooth blend and that just doesn't happen in the real world.

 

Besides other points that other people have made (there is absolutely no racial component in this case) I'm going to point something else out.

By your own definition CRT does not apply to the Tyre Nichols case. Because the minorities in this case were not treated differently from anyone else in the same type of situation. Tyre resisted the initial efforts by the cops. The cops got pissed about it and used excessive force. They let their emotions rule them rather than their professionalism. The cops got arrested and charged for it. This happens no matter the group. People resist others, those others get pissed and use excessive force, those others end up in jail being prosecuted.

Being treated differently means that they're being treated in a way which is not the norm.

A bully gets pissed because the nerd refuses to give the bully their lunch money and beats the nerd to a pulp, the bully gets arrested and charged with a crime. That is the normal thing to happen in such instances. This is literally no different than what has happened in the Tyre Nichols case.

The only thing that makes this whole situation "different" is that such things do not normally happen in society as a whole. The VAST majority of people in society do not get pissed at others to the point that they beat others to death. But you cannot compare the WHOLE of society to things like what happened with Tyre. Because what happened with Tyre, while not normal for society as a whole, is also normal. Normal in that there is a small segment of society that does do the very things listed above. Humans by nature are violent. If they weren't then there wouldn't even be a need for police period. The vast majority of people can control their violent tendencies. But not all can. So we, again, end up with violent acts. So long as those violent acts are all treated the same, then everyone is being treated the same, not differently.

And speaking of binary thinking. The reason that you made this thread is because of what you said in your last line. You're trying to dispute what is happening in schools. But in your binary thinking you are only thinking about one aspect of CRT. There are multiple aspects to it. Not JUST what you claim CRT is. When college lawyers take the course on CRT they are learning about how laws were influenced by racial factors. Why do they learn this? So that when they get out of college and start practicing they can avoid promoting/making laws based on race. This is normal. This is good.

But what happens when an activist learns CRT? Well, first lets define what an activist is. An activist is someone who promotes an agenda through actions and words. They will go out of their way to push that agenda. Their agenda is priority number ONE. Nothing else matters, their entire lives are centered around their agenda, and they are ALWAYS "in the right". They are doing so in the belief that they are trying to make a "correction". In order to believe that a "correction" needs to be made there must be an error to correct. If there is an error then what caused the error? This leads to an activist placing blame. They then go after whatever is to blame. Make it out to be as evil as possible so that others do not want to do or be associated with the same thing. A climate activist will blame fracking, gas powered vehicles and even people as a whole etc etc.

So what does an activist who's agenda is about race do? What error are they trying to correct? What are they going to blame? Well, in the case of racial issues, the blame must be asserted onto a group of people as no "thing" can cause an error that affects another group. "Things" can only cause an error for everyone and is not selective in who it targets. However an activist who's agenda is about race, can affect other groups of people selectively.

A racist activist will push their agenda by blaming whatever group they are racist towards. Blaming that group for everything that they can and making that group out to be as evil as possible. So that others do not want to be associated with that group. But what about an anti-racist activist? Their agenda is about race. As such no thing can be blamed. A group of people must be blamed, because again, things cannot single out groups of people. Which means that an anti-racist activist will blame people. The people who promoted racist things specifically. That means that, in today's terms, an anti-racist activist will blame white people. Remember, we're talking about activists here. A person can be anti-racist yet not blame anyone. However, an activist NEEDS to place blame. They need to place blame in order to prevent other people from being a racist. And again, the only way to do that is to put the blame on a group of people. And by putting the blame on a group of people, they are making those people out to be bad. In the end, an anti-racist activist, ends up being racist themselves. Completely countering and undermining what it is they were/are trying to promote as they are using the same tactics that a racist activist use. Blaming a group of people. Which in turn makes that group out to be bad.

Now for the next step...putting it all together.

What happens when an anti-racist activist who's learned CRT in college becomes a teacher? Going by the above, it should be quite obvious by now. They're going to use CRT as a bludgeon. They're going to use it to prove that white people is the group to blame. And they're going to use CRT, not to prevent something from happening as the lawyers that learned it would, but to "correct" something that did happen. Do they have to use the same exact curriculum that was used in CRT class in college? Nope. Just like lawyers who were taught CRT, they do not have to use the same exact curriculum. They can just point out that X happened so Y needs to happen. However, unlike lawyers, an activist needs to place blame to convince others to not be the same way. An activist needs to promote their agenda by actions and words. So, not only will they point out that X happened so Y needs to happen, but they will also put that into actions. By treating the "bad" differently from the "good".

 

What happened in your newly sanitized city, is your crime rate up, down or the same

 

Critical race theory is the farce and I find it hilarious than anybody takes it seriously.

 

From the posts you've posted already, you are not being serious. It appears.
You've inferred things not said and seem to just make up false claims. That's not what most call a serious discussion.
And can not show flaws in an argument.
Facts can show flaws in an argument. Uninformed opinions do just the opposite.

IMO, what the OP is trying to imply, is that CRT aka systemic racism is ingrained in a system or learned.

 

Give us an example of "systemic racism".

 

CRT is not being taught in primary education.
It's a college level advanced elective class.

What the RW calls CRT is made up nonsense.
More like if one teaches history and mentions the word black, the RW calls that CRT.